From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50775: ispell help message times out before most people can read it Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 22:48:04 +0300 Message-ID: <837df4phcb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87czoy86c1.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <875yuppf0k.fsf@gnus.org> <83fstspjxo.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31250"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 50775@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, jidanni@jidanni.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 25 21:49:10 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDfZ-0007xe-Gd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 21:49:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49802 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDfX-0003ti-QU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:49:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55138) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDfS-0003tZ-By for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:51532) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDfS-0005Cp-4S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDfS-0004Ys-2o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:49:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 19:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50775 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50775-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50775.163259930317483 (code B ref 50775); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 19:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 19:48:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDeo-0004Xu-T7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:48:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49948) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDed-0004XW-MR for 50775@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:48:21 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54192) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDeX-0004SY-AF; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:48:06 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1534 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUDeW-0006YU-T7; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:48:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 25 Sep 2021 12:38:10 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:215520 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 12:38:10 -0700 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 50775@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > We've been having that for eons, so changing the default now should > > only be done if we have a very good reason. You have a customizable > > variable now, so why not change the value for your convenience? > > > > Let's not let the tail wag the dog: it's a minor issue, no need to > > turn the world around each time we add some minor convenience. > > [ Removing a timeout for a message does not exactly amount to "turning > the world around"... ] It does, for those who are accustomed to the message go away. > We don't avoid fixing minor issues just because they are old, do we? We don't. But there's no issue here. > That said, the other alternative I proposed was increasing the timeout > to 10 seconds to give the user enough time to read it. You are free to increase it for your own use. And so is jidanni. But I see no reason to do that for everyone.