From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:28:12 +0200 Message-ID: <837cxipsb7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18036"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 19 14:31:47 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pIV18-0004Yl-O7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 14:31:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIUyX-00005g-EB; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:29:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIUyU-0008HH-VX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:29:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIUyU-0008L6-Ir for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:29:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIUyU-0002BH-9u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:29:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 13:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 60930 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 60930-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B60930.16741349078340 (code B ref 60930); Thu, 19 Jan 2023 13:29:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 60930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2023 13:28:27 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42888 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIUxu-0002AS-Lh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:28:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32978) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIUxs-0002AE-1v for 60930@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:28:25 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIUxl-0008If-8l; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:28:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=RhdHrqUJHTmX5OoNNZm7b/rIHco5jRzXGTvp2g2KlIs=; b=rPlAfiYfBoiQ KL2yvARH1QjetNlRIRWqlgUxtSTCI9C/QDmhyyKDKABEepikTVA0U5z+iHINIhpdZJ4OR7KMl+H/s aFy5rQJVxADKxtfpzKdZsOW96Ika7Bq5xqewr5oBUAEDEkO+J/kgf+PRDzTFgY8qufZ/kgPiktEOQ bTe1ONB/Ba5PRqMgpG44xQAFVAuubJ3YgxpHBmVsbmA/XNvvSZFnJ2WOnhbx/cjBdF7pLOJg+j9SO DUqT0u08NFA+cy7joG/HIm7+pPH+xPxLt68bPDmsgJ0khQChpW9abi7f1o5nikRPGgMB2kGWNVO1z iiIfc4neirTFlhd8JGe9Qw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIUxk-0003O7-Ij; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:28:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:36:09 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:253706 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: 60930-done@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:36:09 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > The feature of "recursive extension stripping" was already documented > > there. I added a few words about two examples of its usage (backup > > files aren't the only one, and I see no reason to treat them specially > > in this regard, let alone have the actual regexp in the manual). > > However, I sincerely doubt that having this described in that place > > will be discoverable enough. I also am not sure why you thought it > > was so important to mention: it's an obscure implementation detail > > intended to make Emacs DTRT, and as long it does TRT, why should users > > worry? > > I thought that it is important to mention because we got a bug report > claiming that opening backups of Org files in org-mode is not expected: > https://list.orgmode.org/25543.50706.554658.6937@gargle.gargle.HOWL/ It isn't clear from that complaint what mistakes could happen. Anyway, all that was requested there was to mention this in the manual, so that others won't be surprised (if they read the manual). > As for discoverability, an index entry might do. Please suggest a useful index entry.