From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64871: 30.0.50; [FR] Add command and menu item to open user init file Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:50:48 +0300 Message-ID: <837cqln0nb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87jzun7x34.fsf@localhost> <871qguxirf.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sf99ncfi.fsf@gnu.org> <87ila57o10.fsf@localhost> <83bkfxn392.fsf@gnu.org> <87cz0d7md3.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10722"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 64871@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 27 12:13:41 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qOy05-0002ay-2K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:13:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOxeD-0007Y9-4Q; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 05:51:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOxeB-0007Y1-5k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 05:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOxeA-00017i-UP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 05:51:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qOxeA-0003mj-HB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 05:51:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64871 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 64871-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64871.169045140814480 (code B ref 64871); Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:51:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64871) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2023 09:50:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40767 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qOxdH-0003lT-Tm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 05:50:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44254) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qOxdG-0003kr-3D for 64871@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 05:50:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOxdA-0000c6-Do; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 05:50:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=uIBHGSbbPplHaTLUwoufETjbpnNDIFtkDtI2vhYHLr4=; b=OvmL4QHqzBl6 DI4lMQVzUIEK//QKBCzzEVopO+THxECpukZLdJVgO3h7xS1ZyQq9zfh3yKgbxIOBXyeEHrAsmQEFj E3/Kj4zgGYzrf1HJHSSF6X3Nw/zdjPib4zj+u3yZydEh5fwCHIK33xfkEEP2SHkI8DQLdkd94pw2S b9bD4MiSe4NU+su5LmxNot7LUBH31ko8kTL3aretjEiFgqv1JveBMwY1ELQW1DeLUB+1NUD9sNirs XFN8RKgb3MxxhVQ/H5xuG0cwXgGmk7czSSmXJoMvfJG6RKROr9p22pFlhNCvB3yLG7VQz1MuENCuY Mj1N5wpeDg26gPuzIU/1ug==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qOxd9-0003OZ-Ts; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 05:50:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87cz0d7md3.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:08:24 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:266181 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 64871@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:08:24 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> Side note: I now tried to look into Emacs "preferences" via menu and it > >> feels a bit awkward. Options->Customize Emacs-> has "Top-level > >> customization group" and "Browse customization groups" do not sound very > >> different and I would never guess (even knowing Emacs) that "browse" > >> implies short overview of all options. > > > > Did you read the help-echo strings they display? > > Not helpful: > 1. "Top-level customization group" has help-echo "The master group > called 'Emacs'" - it does not clarify anything for me. > 2. "Browse customization groups" has help-echo "Browse all customization > groups" - what new information does it provide? Feel free to suggest better help strings. (I really don't understand how are those "not helpful", but that's me.)