From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#66554: [PATCH] Add the public API of Compat to the core Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 20:29:55 +0200 Message-ID: <837ckeievw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87pm1ggrdx.fsf@posteo.net> <87bk9scucg.fsf@daniel-mendler.de> <87y1cwpanh.fsf@posteo.net> <877ckgpa45.fsf@daniel-mendler.de> <87mstbpyd7.fsf@posteo.net> <87h6jjah1g.fsf@daniel-mendler.de> <87edenptba.fsf@posteo.net> <87bk9raaad.fsf@daniel-mendler.de> <87a5pbvbxc.fsf@posteo.net> <875xzza8jw.fsf@daniel-mendler.de> <87edemldlw.fsf@posteo.net> <83cyu6ifzw.fsf@gnu.org> <875xzyl8lq.fsf@posteo.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36645"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: mail@daniel-mendler.de, stefankangas@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 66554@debbugs.gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 12 19:31:51 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rOMJq-0009IO-AQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 19:31:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOMJJ-0006Cw-M7; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:31:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOMJ7-0006CE-37 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:31:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOMJ6-00037h-Rc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:31:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rOMJ4-00086i-Ih for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:31:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 18:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 66554 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 66554-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B66554.170508421926896 (code B ref 66554); Fri, 12 Jan 2024 18:31:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 66554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2024 18:30:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37723 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rOMIM-0006yH-Jy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:30:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60362) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rOMIH-0006Tl-OP for 66554@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:30:17 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOMIB-0002ZB-Pw; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:30:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=2v4C8q55M8IFgPnaoqBWw5Au/hqpjwm0wx9Qc3fd1g8=; b=hx4I7tCKCoTR iPoFUc3xBmlQauZMJBGY0tm94yZ9P+NeCwKZbFTusMNen0mHttDUSkjwetCwkgnU2ZEI26k6xkf0z OBBe57twlBw+Kgtp1XK3VJ6iTDc2nhTVBCavFQYhTm7WnDBV97ReapSqeC/D4H3Hw0dEdmFXTjCfg TLR3S3kDu4QgJ4t2ROJ1XMjVaB8J6KXBwmT/tVLP/vEUWRRbeCyJiIvHTCemSy3jCosCXO015JUo4 ZnEvjB0Y6KicK859rtYbMFp5KohEJ5zldtYDNLQ6f6LJmQ6JkiYSh+uCmb4B80ZEkFBbJd31GlKWI 4mNUbNT+xICZyQoMNV1inA==; In-Reply-To: <875xzyl8lq.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Fri, 12 Jan 2024 18:17:21 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:278062 Archived-At: > From: Philip Kaludercic > Cc: mail@daniel-mendler.de, 66554@debbugs.gnu.org, > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stefankangas@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 18:17:21 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Philip Kaludercic > >> Cc: 66554@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier > >> , Stefan Kangas > >> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 16:29:15 +0000 > >> > >> > What happens when we bump Emacs version from NN.x to NN.x.90 or from > >> > NN.x.90 to NN.x.91? emacs-major-version and emacs-minor-version stay > >> > the same, but the Emacs version is bumped, and there could be changes > >> > in compat.el specific to the next release, NN.x+1 or NN+1.1, no? > >> > >> Generally speaking, Compat only provides support for "proper" releases, > >> and not for pre-releases. > > > > Is that wise? > > > > Can't we support pretest versions as well? > > I hope I am not misunderstanding something, but from the perspective of > Compat and Emacs development as a whole, I think it would be preferable > to not start propagating additions and changes to functions that might > change before a proper release, so as to not unnecessarily burden > development with sticking to decisions that one realises were mistakes > before the final release is cut. I guess I'm misunderstanding something. The scenario that I have in mind is this: . we bump Emacs version to NN.1.90 as part of pretesting version NN.2 . as part of the pretest, some function changes that requires addition or change in compat.el . compat.el still claims version NN.1, although it includes changes not present in Emacs NN.1 Did I succeed in explaining my worries?