From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16292: 24.3.50; info docs now contain single straight quotes instead of `' Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:38:26 +0200 Message-ID: <8361q0w619.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20131229220810.GF7972@boo.workgroup> <52C0E734.4090403@cs.ucla.edu> <83sita1cbw.fsf@gnu.org> <52C1C456.2080004@cs.ucla.edu> <83fvpa16kh.fsf@gnu.org> <52C25D07.80808@cs.ucla.edu> <8338l91l2t.fsf@gnu.org> <52C4C95C.2010905@cs.ucla.edu> <837gajyrq1.fsf@gnu.org> <52C4F008.5060003@cs.ucla.edu> <83zjnextyg.fsf@gnu.org> <52C5BDD1.2050009@cs.ucla.edu> <83ppoaxfu6.fsf@gnu.org> <52C607DA.3090009@cs.ucla.edu> <83fvp5xzk0.fsf@gnu.org> <52C6F2C5.10505@cs.ucla.edu> <83mwjcx1i9.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388821155 24733 80.91.229.3 (4 Jan 2014 07:39:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 07:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, grfz@gmx.de, 16292@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 04 08:39:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzLpG-00013W-Jm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sat, 04 Jan 2014 07:39:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16292) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2014 07:38:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32933 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzLos-0004ki-NG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:38:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:60202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzLok-0004kF-1s for 16292@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:38:47 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MYV00J008VWP800@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 16292@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:38:44 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MYV00JXP98KRY00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:38:44 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:82896 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Paul Eggert , 16292@debbugs.gnu.org, grfz@gmx.de > Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:52:01 -0500 > > My position is as follows: > - I'd rather use Texinfo defaults, of course, to the extent that they > work OK for Emacs. > - We should feel free to use Unicode chars (in utf-8 encoding) in .texi files > (and utf-8 should be the default encoding, so there's no need to > specify it explicitly in the file). > - Those Unicode chars should be preserved in the .info files (i.e. Info > files should also use utf-8). > - The chars introduced by "makeinfo" itself should stick to ASCII for > now by default. I think we're pretty close to the point where ‘ and ’ > can be assumed to work "everywhere", but we're not quite there yet. > But I'd hope that Debian builds would not follow that default and > would tell make info to use things like ‘ and ’ since these chars > should pretty much always work in a Debian system. That's my position as well. I think using --disable-encoding in Texinfo 5 and --enable-encoding in older versions will achieve precisely that. It is also simple and doesn't require any configure-time options. All we need is a simple test in the Makefile of the version of makeinfo being used.