From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14802: 24.3.50; (elisp) Multiple Terminals - what is a terminal attribute? Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:18:59 +0200 Message-ID: <8361onuej0.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392049216 30240 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2014 16:20:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 14802@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 10 17:20:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WCtal-0002Gh-Ur for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:20:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56341 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCtal-0003Yl-HR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:20:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44324) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCtac-0003OY-AY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:20:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCtaV-0006y0-5c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:20:10 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33599) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCtaV-0006x8-2M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:20:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCtaU-0001OU-8c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:20:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14802 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14802-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14802.13920491755311 (code B ref 14802); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14802) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 16:19:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41493 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCtZz-0001NW-NL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:19:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:40497) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCtZs-0001ND-DW for 14802@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:19:28 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N0S00200FWLKI00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 14802@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:19:17 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N0S002JNG01KD00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:19:17 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:85267 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 20:03:52 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 14802@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > What kind of an Emacs thingie is a terminal attribute? > > > > It's an attribute of a terminal object. > > OK, that gives it a name. Now how about saying what that > is (in the manual)? > > Either that or don't introduce the term - it is just vapor > otherwise, and confusing. Users can wonder what they're missing, > and where to find it. I really don't understand the purpose of this bug report, because this very node is the answer to all your questions and gripes. It includes: . a full list of the attributes of a terminal object (directly below the single sentence you cited in your report) . documentation of functions that access those attributes, and . references to other nodes where related features and issues are described What else is missing? > If the text said "characteristics" or "qualities" or similar, > users wouldn't wonder so much. But "attribute" typically means > something particular in software. If what is meant here is the > ordinary English use of the word then I suggest picking a less > technical-sounding equivalent. > > If what is meant really is something technical that is known > as a terminal attribute (as one user, I really don't know), > then that term either needs explaining or users should be > sent elsewhere for info about it. I see nothing wrong with the word "attribute". In this very manual, we have: . text attributes . face attributes . file attributes . package attributes . process attributes What's wrong with having "terminal object attributes"?