From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21746: 24.5; purpose of dired-keep-marker-copy? Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:13:26 +0300 Message-ID: <83611wy995.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445674472 13541 80.91.229.3 (24 Oct 2015 08:14:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: winkler@gnu.org, 21746@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 24 10:14:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zptxr-0005I0-9D for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:14:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43415 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zptxr-0000VL-3w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:14:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43104) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zptxn-0000Uz-IE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:14:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zptxi-0002pZ-BR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:14:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:44776) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zptxi-0002pV-7z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:14:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zptxh-0006cE-Qx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:14:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21746 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21746-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21746.144567440425377 (code B ref 21746); Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:14:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2015 08:13:24 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35484 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zptx5-0006bE-Ts for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:13:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:52190) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zptx3-0006b5-Se for 21746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:13:22 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NWP00I00TF18P00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 21746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:13:20 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NWP00IVGTI83D70@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:13:20 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:107964 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:04:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: winkler@gnu.org, 21746@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > There is a lot in Dired that I think should be exposed/documented > > > better/more. By default we don't even load dired-x.el or > > > dired-aux.el, and they provide lots of stuff useful even for > > > beginners, including lots of menus. > > > > > > I would be in favor of our loading both of these Dired libraries > > > by default. There is lots in Dired that users can benefit from, > > > but they are typically unaware of it. > > > > Aren't the commands and options there autoloaded? > > No. > > > If not, we could autoload them, which would solve the > > visibility problem without bloating the minimal memory > > footprint too much. Patches welcome. > > No, it would not solve the visibility or discoverability > problem, IMO. Users are much more likely to find and use > the commands and keys they provide when they are (a) in > the menus and (b) documented in `C-h m'. > > As for the minimal footprint: dired.el is not even loaded > by default (`C-x d' is autoloaded). You said above that we don't load dired-x and dired-aux, so I thought you meant this in contrast with dired.el itself which is preloaded. I should have checked, sorry. But if none of them is preloaded, what is it that we do with dired.el and don't do with the other two packages?