From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37485: 27.0.50; C-m in describe-bindings Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 21:44:38 +0300 Message-ID: <835zliq2cp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87sgooroa4.fsf@gnus.org> <83k19zpwtx.fsf@gnu.org> <8736gnb8mk.fsf@gnus.org> <83h853ouqi.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftknym8v.fsf@gnus.org> <83a7avorj2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rw6zzlm.fsf@gnus.org> <837e5yq4vg.fsf@gnu.org> <87v9tiyjwo.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="2457"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 37485@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 23 20:45:20 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTKp-0000V9-SI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:45:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32828 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTKn-0007Va-RA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:45:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52938) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTKZ-0007Ua-Ck for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:45:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTKY-0006ZB-9I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:45:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:56514) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTKY-0006Yu-1R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTKX-0000BC-UE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:45:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37485 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 37485-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37485.1569264297666 (code B ref 37485); Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:45:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37485) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2019 18:44:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37102 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTKT-0000Ag-EA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:44:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44372) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTKR-0000AP-ND for 37485@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:44:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55449) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTKM-0006TJ-FX; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:44:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3566 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTKL-0005XY-M8; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:44:50 -0400 In-reply-to: <87v9tiyjwo.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:58:15 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:167041 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: 37485@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:58:15 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Key description and fast typing are two separate issues. Mnemonics is > > yet another, third, issue (and assigning mnemonic value to 'm' in C-m > > is generally unusual, IME). I don't think these additional issues > > should affect how we display C-m/RET _everywhere_ in our docs. E.g., > > would you propose to use C-i instead of TAB? > > Hm... I think so? (There's 67 `C-. C-i' in the manual.) And 187 TABs. > Mind you, I'm only talking about multi-key keystrokes if we were to do > this by default. I don't see the difference, and neither does describe-key, AFAIK. > But what I really had in mind was to find out whether anybody had any > smart ideas for how to convey to `describe-bindings' how these keys > should be displayed on a per-keymap basis. I hadn't taken a look at how > keymaps are defined at all... > > But they are really char-table objects wrapped in a list? > > Would it be possible to add an option to `make-keymap' that would pass > along an argument to control what `describe-bindings' should do with the > keymap? And then stash that in the char-table object? I think it's a waste of cycles. We have much more important stuff to spend time on. But that's me.