From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40774: Error messages shouldn't be hidden when the user is idle Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 22:25:01 +0300 Message-ID: <835zdre31u.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83mu73eagw.fsf@gnu.org> <3HKWEOXkDWKA21dsCFgMgmFIMPR3VwPgNzfTjd7I5Igswu07sfhZaP-td1X4Py66xAD6kDLyLjVmujFkuabkY_S9ZZhgGZwi0IaAV6RS59U=@protonmail.com> <83ftcve6gl.fsf@gnu.org> <83blnje5ro.fsf@gnu.org> <838sine4si.fsf@gnu.org> <837dy7e3wr.fsf@gnu.org> <-ZmNQQ07JD7L0I5EpXolv4t1UhWBGc4SN0dkJml3cLbBjO6ucAMUzAqsI9Ca69xO_hzlMLfaLs6bY9vq8GAR24RUGu1LZqVoVkXhiJcFgtg=@protonmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="129707"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 40774@debbugs.gnu.org To: ndame Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 21:26:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRL0d-000XeZ-Vo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:26:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56484 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRL0d-0006WX-0h for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:26:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43828) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRL0U-0006Uj-W1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:26:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRL0U-0000sA-Il for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:26:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:41729) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRL0U-0000rx-5Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:26:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRL0U-0005qg-0j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:26:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 19:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 40774 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 40774-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B40774.158758353122441 (code B ref 40774); Wed, 22 Apr 2020 19:26:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 40774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2020 19:25:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53275 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKzz-0005pt-6q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:25:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40648) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKzx-0005pg-Ia for 40774@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:25:30 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35360) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKzs-0000GD-BG; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:25:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1865 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jRKzm-0006en-UH; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:25:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: <-ZmNQQ07JD7L0I5EpXolv4t1UhWBGc4SN0dkJml3cLbBjO6ucAMUzAqsI9Ca69xO_hzlMLfaLs6bY9vq8GAR24RUGu1LZqVoVkXhiJcFgtg=@protonmail.com> (message from ndame on Wed, 22 Apr 2020 19:10:36 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178829 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 19:10:36 +0000 > From: ndame > Cc: "40774@debbugs.gnu.org" <40774@debbugs.gnu.org> > > > But that's exactly the problem I see with your proposed strategy: > > when Emacs prints a message, it is never idle, by definition. > > But the condition is not "when Emacs is idle", but "when the user > is idle". So Emacs can do some processing, running some timers, > printing messages while the user is idle in Emacs, right? We are going in circles. You want Emacs behave two different ways when it is about to show a message, is that right? So I'm asking how will Emacs determine, at that point, whether "the user is idle". The method Emacs uses to determine when to run the next idle timer will not work, because when Emacs is about to print a message, that method will return false, i.e. tell that the user is not idle.