From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#44983: Truncate long lines of grep output Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 18:15:08 +0200 Message-ID: <835z54cqk3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h7p0f611.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a6uqafmk.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87zh2q61n6.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <3620abd0-ce79-cc9d-3fb2-255e91f13da1@yandex.ru> <87mtyo3x1z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <857088a6-fe90-d989-9115-2c159b2a02e6@yandex.ru> <87lfe6x1uf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87czzi2ju2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87bley7o4a.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <838sa1eo5u.fsf@gnu.org> <874kkpcvfw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14480"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 44983@debbugs.gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 14 17:23:17 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1koqd2-0003gA-O7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 17:23:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50008 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koqd1-0004v3-Oj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:23:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38336) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koqW2-00060v-MQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:16:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:42392) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koqW2-0004w5-EW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:16:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1koqW2-000137-AY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:16:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44983 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 44983-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44983.16079625271946 (code B ref 44983); Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:16:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 44983) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2020 16:15:27 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53938 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1koqVT-0000Uz-Eh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:15:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45072) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1koqVS-0000Nx-4n for 44983@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:15:26 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54650) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koqVM-0004pP-9q; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:15:20 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4350 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1koqVJ-0007zb-8p; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:15:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: <874kkpcvfw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Sun, 13 Dec 2020 22:17:23 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:196070 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: bugs@gnu.support, 44983@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru > Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 22:17:23 +0200 > > >> > In my opinion I believe that majority of users who ever clicked > >> > "Search Files (grep)" gave up after few attempts. > >> > >> Indeed, "Search for files (grep)" menu option is not user friendly. > > > > In what way is it not user-friendly? It just invokes "M-x grep". > > It's not friendly for users who don't know syntax of grep command line. If someone wants to add a more user-friendly dialog for searching text (or perhaps reuse a dialog provided by the GUI toolkits), I think it will be welcome. It is not a simple job, though, because the dialog should allow access to most of the advanced features of Grep. > OTOH, "Recursive grep" (rgrep) is easier to use, but its menu item text > is not clear to users who don't know what is grep. Maybe a better title > for 'rgrep' would be "Search text in files"? FWIW, I don't think rgrep is significantly more user-friendly, so IMO it is not the model on which to base a better UI.