From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46610: Interactive mode tagging for python.el navigation functions Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 17:07:25 +0200 Message-ID: <835z2p5s9e.fsf@gnu.org> References: <878s7ly57x.fsf@gnus.org> <83czwx5tfu.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6073"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ddavis@ddavis.io, larsi@gnus.org, 46610@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 18 16:08:57 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lCkvI-0001Rn-QL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 16:08:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37938 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCkvH-0002vy-Sf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 10:08:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37480) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCkuQ-0002RO-Bb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 10:08:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36153) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCkuQ-0004P6-0u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 10:08:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lCkuP-0000oK-QW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 10:08:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 15:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46610 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: fixed Original-Received: via spool by 46610-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46610.16136608413069 (code B ref 46610); Thu, 18 Feb 2021 15:08:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46610) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2021 15:07:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47699 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lCktk-0000nR-R6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 10:07:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47766) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lCkti-0000nC-RB for 46610@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 10:07:19 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43071) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCktd-00044S-3O; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 10:07:13 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2870 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lCktc-0005YH-3n; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 10:07:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Thu, 18 Feb 2021 16:54:37 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:200267 Archived-At: > Cc: ddavis@ddavis.io, larsi@gnus.org, 46610@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 16:54:37 +0200 > > On 18.02.2021 16:41, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> python.el is distributed as "core" package through GNU ELPA and declared > >> compatibility up to Emacs 24.1. > >> > >> So I don't think you can use the new 'interactive' syntax there. > > So packages on ELPA are allowed to be ahead of those in core, but not > > vice versa? Is that really the intent that we allow them to diverge, > > but only in one direction? > > What do you mean by "ahead"? Have a newer version of the package in > 'master' and some other in ELPA? Not necessarily "newer", but one that relies on features that exist in the Emacs version with which it is bundled. > Then we (someone? who?) either have to maintain both version, or accept > that ELPA and all users of Emacs 24-27 won't get any subsequent updates > to python.el, including support for newer Python syntax, etc. I don't think I understand why. We are talking about changing python.el on master, which will be released with Emacs 28, in some not-too-close future. What does that have to do with users of older Emacsen receiving updates to python.el? I guess I'm confused here. > Either approach can work in ELPA, but our "ELPA core" scheme aims to > make new features available to as many users as feasible, while limiting > the extra support effort required. The new features on master will be available only when Emacs 28 is released, until then they cannot possibly do any harm to anyone. Right?