From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48404: 28.0.50; "Invalid version syntax" errors with read-extended-command Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 10:56:12 +0300 Message-ID: <835yzlzr37.fsf@gnu.org> References: <875yzms6im.fsf@gnu.org> <83wns1zvhs.fsf@gnu.org> <871ra9kdgs.fsf@gnu.org> <83czttzstr.fsf@gnu.org> <87wns1n4k6.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29881"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 48404@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, tsdh@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 14 09:57:27 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lhShL-0007cK-4C for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 14 May 2021 09:57:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37510 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lhShJ-0008Uq-DQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 14 May 2021 03:57:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54526) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lhSgx-0008Ui-N2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 May 2021 03:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:33395) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lhSgv-0007Rg-Vj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 May 2021 03:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lhSgv-0001ng-UL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 May 2021 03:57:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 07:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48404 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 48404-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48404.16209789726861 (code B ref 48404); Fri, 14 May 2021 07:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 48404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2021 07:56:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44941 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lhSg8-0001mb-Fz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 May 2021 03:56:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60700) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lhSg3-0001mJ-6l for 48404@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 May 2021 03:56:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45796) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lhSfx-0006mb-9y; Fri, 14 May 2021 03:56:01 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4434 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lhSfw-0005DV-HV; Fri, 14 May 2021 03:56:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87wns1n4k6.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 14 May 2021 09:43:37 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:206497 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: Tassilo Horn , 48404@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se > Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 09:43:37 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > But I don't really understand why we compare versions in the snippet > > above -- the command is already established as being obsolete, so > > we've got to be running an Emacs version where it is indeed obsolete, > > and the version text sounds redundant to me. Stefan? > > The idea is to have a softer transition when obsoleting commands -- `M-x > some-obsoleteTAB' will list the command if it's been "recently" > obsoleted, but also list the new command name (in parentheses). This > will hopefully help people to learn the new command name. But this comes with a heavy price: commands from any package that is not bundled with Emacs will not be able to take advantage of this feature, ever. Is it worth punishing those packages' users to have a softer transition? Given our conservative approach to obsoleting stuff, I'm not sure.