From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#60587: Patch for adding links to symbols' help documentation Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 14:14:35 +0200 Message-ID: <835ycxjvmc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86y1qgr1bf.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <86tu13qydg.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <83h6x2u74b.fsf@gnu.org> <863588rfos.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <83o7qw0yjy.fsf@gnu.org> <864jskx6a8.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <831qnomh6l.fsf@gnu.org> <86lelvvdj1.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <834jsjkt16.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25690"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de, 60587@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 23 13:38:02 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pJw5K-0006RA-Bx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:38:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJvjD-0006zw-1D; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 07:15:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJvj6-0006y2-0n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 07:15:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJvj4-0003zN-J6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 07:15:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJvj4-0002WO-2E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 07:15:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 60587 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 60587-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B60587.16744760779639 (code B ref 60587); Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 60587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jan 2023 12:14:37 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53511 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJvie-0002VP-V2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 07:14:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJvic-0002V8-I7 for 60587@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 07:14:35 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJviW-0003we-Jc; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 07:14:28 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=0OPGhGKYISgEE86WwMVzCVSniwYAkOzoFynq6RWFLq8=; b=WMcn3Bya4vKS BCOuom15iWjqjX8DWJE5lLkLPOfwxHJpkQPxom4i6xENwei6RN8PGAJeCQbUSk9wCvcjaRpdBGrvA QYE1lcojEa3qDLej0cGR4pq56gEzgP51LE9//fhVMovu3J0fyC0d/Ypmw1VlduoHYF6EqM3i0/nnA N9hQGcaqheW+iCKQh3c8SkQTZAeRlG1J62gThGuP7v/7rO86cBs+Jv+1peFcXwr60Vofgw8bZ/S7u 39tu0SUMl5ASobHilwlyJedGMoro2OQKJXUkNC5gd5E99Hg5NIDZ0kD8ApqqZSHuyUHRQXtlLtLlG raYiqjBFhnp5d5PQGUqm3g==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJviW-0001nr-00; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 07:14:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 22 Jan 2023 22:09:28 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:253987 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > CC: "60587@debbugs.gnu.org" <60587@debbugs.gnu.org>, > "monnier@iro.umontreal.ca" > Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 22:09:28 +0000 > > > > Shouldn't I address the concern of Drew, as well? That a "button" is a > > > certain technical implementation of linking which might not be known by > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > the reader. Maybe a term like "link button" or "link-button" conveys - > > > at the same time - the well known concept and correct technique, > > > different from an Info link (or "cross reference")? > > > > I think "button" is problematic, > > Did you perhaps mean _not_ problematic? Yes, I don't think "button" is problematic. > Drew thinks we should use the same standard term we > use everywhere - including in Info: for users it's a > link, not a button. We use "buttons" as well as "hyperlinks". See, e.g., the node "Mouse References" in the user manual, which basically describes the facility Dieter intends to use. > > If the user types "M-x describe-text-properties RET", > > will he/she see that there's a button at point? > > Dunno what Dieter's code shows for that. But this is > what doing that on an xref link in Info shows: > > There are text properties here: > font-lock-face info-xref > fontified t > help-echo [Show] > mouse-face highlight > > I wouldn't say that a user is told there's a button > there. I meant the hyperlinks in the *Help* buffer.