From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: 61730@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#61730: 30.0.50; Compiler warnings for delq and delete
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 13:44:23 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <835ybnib8o.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1pWU7n-0002ao-6j@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:24:27 -0500)
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Cc: 61730@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:24:27 -0500
>
> > In Emacs maintenance and development, the two cases are actually one.
> > We rebuild Emacs so frequently that even a "rare" warning appears all
> > the time and is annoying. It is not a coincidence that we usually
> > don't tolerate warnings during the build of Emacs.
>
> I am surprised -- I didn't do that when I was the main maintainer.
We have more branches than back then. I routinely build 3 branches
every day -- master, the release branch, and a feature branch for some
long-living feature. I build 3 more branches weekly. So I see the
same or similar warnings more than once each day. The situations
where many Lisp files need to be recompiled are also more frequent
nowadays, due to a much more massive use of macros. These reasons add
up.
> In recent years, ISTR seeing warnings in the build often enough.
You are tracking the master branch, which is by definition less clean
wrt warnings.
> I resent it when a compiler takes up my time pressuring me to prove to
> it that I know something isn't a bug, and I usually tell that compiler
> (inside my head) where it can take those warnings.
Likewise. Although the place I use (in my head) is called by a
somewhat different name. But is similar in nature.
> When I implemented the options that enable such warnings in GCC, I
> urged people NOT to use those options by default. To enable them by
> default in a makefile is to impose systematic harassment on every
> contributor to the code. You end up with a program as your
> taskmaster, haranguing you continually to insert proof that you didn't
> make some mistake.
Sadly, that stance is all but gone nowadays: compilers, including GCC,
wine too much, especially if you use "-Wall", and many projects use
"-Wall" by default. That is called "progress".
End of rant.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-02-27 11:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-02-23 10:29 bug#61730: 30.0.50; Compiler warnings for delq and delete Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-24 3:59 ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-24 13:43 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-02-24 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-24 15:11 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-24 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-24 15:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-24 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-24 16:17 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-24 16:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-24 19:33 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-02-24 20:20 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-25 9:40 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-02-25 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-25 8:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-25 12:34 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-25 13:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-25 15:09 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-25 15:29 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-25 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-27 3:22 ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-27 10:37 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-27 11:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-27 3:24 ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-27 11:44 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-02-24 15:52 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-02-24 16:37 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-04-09 16:41 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-05-01 16:06 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-05-20 1:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-05-20 9:14 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-05-21 0:56 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-05-21 3:01 ` Ruijie Yu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-05-21 3:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-05-21 5:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-21 8:42 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-05-31 14:38 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-06-01 0:48 ` Michael Heerdegen
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