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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@gmail.com>,
	Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: ola.x.nilsson@axis.com, stephen.berman@gmx.net, 64046@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#64046: 30.0.50; Quoting in customize choice tags
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 08:41:42 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <835y4vg44p.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1886f854-101b-00ef-f619-28ac99082eb5@gmail.com> (message from Mauro Aranda on Wed, 30 Aug 2023 19:58:26 -0300)

> Cc: Ola x Nilsson <ola.x.nilsson@axis.com>, 64046@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 19:58:26 -0300
> From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@gmail.com>
> 
> Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
> 
>  > On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 19:33:21 -0300 Mauro Aranda 
> <maurooaranda@gmail.com> wrote:
>  >
>  >> Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
>  >>
>  >>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 12:29:47 -0300 Mauro Aranda 
> <maurooaranda@gmail.com>
>  >>  wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>> Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
>  >>>>
>  >>>>> On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 11:33:09 +0200 Ola x Nilsson 
> <ola.x.nilsson@axis.com>
>  >>>>  wrote:
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>> I agree that quote substition should be done on the car of 
> simple item
>  >>>>>> definitions.  I have no opinion on susbstitute-command-keys vs
>  >>>>>> substitute-quotes.  But I came to think about the TITLE argument,
>  >>>>>> shouldn't quote substition be performed on it as well?
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> I think you're right about that as well, since the title is simply a
>  >>>>> display feature.  AFAIK it wouldn't make a noticeable difference for
>  >>>>> existing uses of widget-choose in the Customize UI (in the Value menu
>  >>>>> the title is simply "Choice" and in the State menu it's "Operation on
>  >>>>> <option name>"), but it might be relevant for third party uses or 
> future
>  >>>>> uses in Emacs, as well as for ad-hoc uses of simple item definitions.
>  >>>>> So applying substition to all uses of TITLE seems appropriate.  The
>  >>>>> below patch does this, and also corrects my previous patch by 
> excluding
>  >>>>> substition from the cdr of simple item definitions.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> What would be a real-life scenario where we need to use
>  >>>> substitute-command-keys on TITLE? I can't think of any.
>  >>>
>  >>> I can't think of a really convincing example where it's needed, but 
> just
>  >>> as a possibility for stylistic variation, e.g. for simple item
>  >>> definitions one could have a more explicit prompt like this:
>  >>>
>  >>> (widget-choose "Type `0' or `1'" '(("Use `a'" . "Use `1'") ("Use `b'"
>  >>> . "Use `2'")))
>  >>>
>  >>> which would appear as "Type ‘0’ or ‘1’" with curve-style quotes.  For
>  >>> the Customize UI, although the title is currently hard-coded as
>  >>> "Choice", one could define a widget with a title like "User's choice",
>  >>> which would appear as "User’s choice" with the curve-style quote.
>  >>> Unless some undesirable consequence of applying substitute-command-keys
>  >>> to TITLE is found, I don't see any harm in allowing such uses.
>  >>
>  >> I vote for don't adding code until it's really needed, and since there
>  >> isn't a real feature request for that, I'd leave it out.
>  >
>  > Well, I took Ola Nilsson's post which drew attention to the possibility
>  > of applying quote substition to TITLE (quoted above), as an implicit
>  > feature request, and found it plausible.  But...
>  >
>  >> Looks like we
>  >> disagree on this, and it's not really my call, so let's leave it for a
>  >> maintainer to decide whether to add that line of code or not.
>  >
>  > ... I don't have any problem leaving TITLE alone for now. And I do
>  > agree with you that an Emacs maintainer should make the decision (also
>  > about whether to retain substitute-command-keys or instead use
>  > substitute-quotes).
> 
> Let's wait then.  And thank you for taking the time to write the code
> for it.

Stefan, any comments on this issue?





  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-31  5:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-13 14:02 bug#64046: 30.0.50; Quoting in customize choice tags Stephen Berman
2023-06-13 15:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-14 19:51   ` Mauro Aranda
2023-06-14 20:05   ` Mauro Aranda
2023-06-15 11:39     ` Stephen Berman
2023-06-22 20:07       ` Stephen Berman
2023-06-22 22:59         ` Mauro Aranda
2023-06-23 22:18           ` Stephen Berman
2023-06-24  6:37             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24  8:50               ` Stephen Berman
2023-07-15 13:20 ` Mauro Aranda
2023-07-20 15:48   ` Stephen Berman
2023-07-20 19:11     ` Mauro Aranda
2023-07-20 19:53       ` Stephen Berman
2023-08-21 12:04         ` Ola x Nilsson
2023-08-21 14:51           ` Mauro Aranda
2023-08-24 12:51             ` Stephen Berman
2023-08-24 13:19               ` Stephen Berman
2023-08-24 20:14                 ` Mauro Aranda
2023-08-24 20:54                   ` Stephen Berman
2023-08-24 21:58                     ` Mauro Aranda
2023-08-25  8:02                       ` Ola x Nilsson
2023-08-25 21:50                         ` Stephen Berman
2023-08-28  9:33                           ` Ola x Nilsson
2023-08-28 13:50                             ` Stephen Berman
2023-08-30 15:29                               ` Mauro Aranda
2023-08-30 16:29                                 ` Stephen Berman
2023-08-30 22:33                                   ` Mauro Aranda
2023-08-30 22:51                                     ` Stephen Berman
2023-08-30 22:58                                       ` Mauro Aranda
2023-08-31  5:41                                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-08-31  6:43                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-31 15:43                                             ` Drew Adams
2023-08-31 20:52                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-31 22:10                                                 ` Drew Adams
2023-08-31 22:59                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-01  1:08                                                     ` Drew Adams
2023-09-01  6:34                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-01 16:17                                                         ` Drew Adams
2023-09-01 23:29                                                           ` Stephen Berman
2023-09-01 23:38                                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02  9:49                                                               ` Stephen Berman
2023-09-02 18:59                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02 21:25                                                                   ` Stephen Berman
2023-09-02  2:12                                                             ` Drew Adams
2023-09-01  6:16                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-01 16:32                                                       ` Drew Adams
2023-08-24 20:53                 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-24 21:10                   ` Stephen Berman
2023-08-24 21:14                     ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-24 21:41                       ` Stephen Berman

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