From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#66326: 29.1.50; There should be a way to promote warnings to errors Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 09:02:34 +0200 Message-ID: <835y28ydpx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83y1gj5ya9.fsf@gnu.org> <87wmw3zfd3.fsf@catern.com> <83wmw353ny.fsf@gnu.org> <83mswlslxu.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7h0yh7k.fsf@catern.com> <83a5skqvzz.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0lqu7wi.fsf@gnu.org> <83cyxatzva.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkcuty8v.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8b1sqtw.fsf@gnu.org> <875y30t7jr.fsf@catern.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25972"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: sbaugh@catern.com, 66326@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Spencer Baugh Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 11 08:03:39 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r1i1q-0006WJ-Lg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:03:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1i1b-0008Ek-8U; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 02:03:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1i1a-0008DE-7h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 02:03:22 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1i1Z-00033v-W7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 02:03:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r1i2E-0007Cm-4I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 02:04:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 07:04:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 66326 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 66326-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B66326.169968620627636 (code B ref 66326); Sat, 11 Nov 2023 07:04:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 66326) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Nov 2023 07:03:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51389 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r1i1d-0007Bf-P1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 02:03:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53544) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r1i1b-0007BT-GG for 66326@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 02:03:24 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1i0q-0002u6-Qc; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 02:02:36 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=z1XT3SYww3Prb0AuClCZ4exb+GEJyHBqHlgJArst9xU=; b=UnDawbWGFedxNUbj77ga nrqWB6Obh5uttrc+LmdgHp1BR6l90DckJc6I67f9MmCqOa+15oJ5HKPMVH9ETOsfUisNgh2nd44Mi EmC3Lrl1uI1IsOtT03dtZ8fApiP/EKbHz/napOShPzx8CGAzRitx61mo7e6tD8VdB9p6/4iJpak7p ckN37GUipiOXzupHD9m+mTPAOpQ/9fspURrmw//L7+qTCHBsxsu99cNInb2MmTe0eml78zLpMr/H5 HkVM5P8xApgR2TVa0cn8raJE0xWtnLMQdsLDGHws/QaHcvUJZd0u9+xgCOxZZEruRJw3g2bdqnxZz GSOO/wVBWRlwqQ==; In-Reply-To: (message from Spencer Baugh on Fri, 10 Nov 2023 16:40:14 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:274138 Archived-At: > From: Spencer Baugh > Cc: Stefan Kangas , Eli Zaretskii , > 66326@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 16:40:14 -0500 > > I just ran into a situation like this yet again. Again, there was a > stray warning on startup (something about "Symbol’s value as variable is > void", definitely concerning) The text you quote is not a warning, it's an error. --debug-init should have taken care of debugging it, AFAIU. And let me reiterate what I said previously (and you quoted here): >>> More generally, I'm worried by the tendency of people to submit >>> patches for Emacs as soon as they find something they think is missing >>> in Emacs that they need for some one-time job. Emacs is not supposed >>> to be a huge heap of random features that someone at some time found >>> useful for some random job. Emacs is Free Software: you can easily >>> implement this stuff in your local copy and use it as much as you >>> want; no need to add that to the Emacs core, unless there's a real >>> need for it expressed by enough people, and no better solutions in >>> hand. I do this for my local jobs all the time. I still don't think I see why this particular issue should be everyone's problem, not just something you solve locally, if you indeed bump frequently into these issues.