* bug#8327: 24.0.50; Info mode manual: headline of section 1.4 is confusing
@ 2011-03-23 0:51 Christoph Scholtes
2011-03-23 4:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Scholtes @ 2011-03-23 0:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 8327
The info mode manual (info.texi), section 1.4, contains the following
line:
@section The Space, DEL, B and ^L commands
What does `^L' stand for? Is it the same as C-l?
Shouldn't it be
@section The Space, DEL, b and C-l commands
to match the actual commands referred to in the text?
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* bug#8327: 24.0.50; Info mode manual: headline of section 1.4 is confusing
2011-03-23 0:51 bug#8327: 24.0.50; Info mode manual: headline of section 1.4 is confusing Christoph Scholtes
@ 2011-03-23 4:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-14 19:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-03-23 4:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christoph Scholtes; +Cc: 8327
> From: Christoph Scholtes <cschol2112@googlemail.com>
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:51:33 -0600
> Cc:
>
> The info mode manual (info.texi), section 1.4, contains the following
> line:
>
> @section The Space, DEL, B and ^L commands
>
> What does `^L' stand for? Is it the same as C-l?
Yes.
> Shouldn't it be
>
> @section The Space, DEL, b and C-l commands
>
> to match the actual commands referred to in the text?
Not sure. This manual is used for the stand-alone Info, whose users
might not know what C-l is.
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* bug#8327: 24.0.50; Info mode manual: headline of section 1.4 is confusing
2011-03-23 4:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2011-07-14 19:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-14 19:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-07-14 19:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Christoph Scholtes, 8327
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> Shouldn't it be
>>
>> @section The Space, DEL, b and C-l commands
>>
>> to match the actual commands referred to in the text?
>
> Not sure. This manual is used for the stand-alone Info, whose users
> might not know what C-l is.
There's a bunch of other C-<key> things in the manual. For instance,
that very node says:
---
@kindex C-l @r{(Info mode)}
If your screen is ever garbaged, you can tell Info to display it
again by typing @kbd{C-l} (@kbd{Control-L}---that is, hold down
@key{CTRL} and type @kbd{L} or @kbd{l}).
---
However, it's a very meta node, which starts off with:
---
@node Help-^L, Help-Inv, Help-P, Getting Started
@comment node-name, next, previous, up
@section The Space, DEL, B and ^L commands
This node's mode line tells you that you are now at node
@samp{Help-^L}, and the header line tells you that @kbd{p} would get
you back to @samp{Help-P}. The node's title is highlighted and may be
underlined as well; it says what the node is about.
---
What on earth is "Help-^L" meant to signify? I have no idea. The
author probably knows.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* bug#8327: 24.0.50; Info mode manual: headline of section 1.4 is confusing
2011-07-14 19:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-07-14 19:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-14 20:21 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-14 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: cschol2112, 8327
> From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: Christoph Scholtes <cschol2112@googlemail.com>, 8327@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:14:08 +0200
>
> What on earth is "Help-^L" meant to signify? I have no idea. The
> author probably knows.
So will you, if you try reading that manual in an Info reader. When
you get to this node, you'll understand why its name is this and no
other.
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* bug#8327: 24.0.50; Info mode manual: headline of section 1.4 is confusing
2011-07-14 19:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2011-07-14 20:21 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-15 6:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-07-14 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: cschol2112, 8327
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
>> Cc: Christoph Scholtes <cschol2112@googlemail.com>, 8327@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:14:08 +0200
>>
>> What on earth is "Help-^L" meant to signify? I have no idea. The
>> author probably knows.
>
> So will you, if you try reading that manual in an Info reader. When
> you get to this node, you'll understand why its name is this and no
> other.
Sorry; I still have no idea.
I mean, I know that ^L refers to C-l. But I still have no idea why the
node is called Help-^L, and not Help-Com or whatever.
All the info nodes in that section have pretty inscrutable node names.
"Help-Inv", "Help-Int".
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* bug#8327: 24.0.50; Info mode manual: headline of section 1.4 is confusing
2011-07-14 20:21 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-07-15 6:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-11 3:49 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-07-15 6:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: cschol2112, 8327
> From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: cschol2112@googlemail.com, 8327@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:21:43 +0200
>
> > So will you, if you try reading that manual in an Info reader. When
> > you get to this node, you'll understand why its name is this and no
> > other.
>
> Sorry; I still have no idea.
Because you get to that manual by typing `h' (for "help") in any other
Info manual.
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* bug#8327: 24.0.50; Info mode manual: headline of section 1.4 is confusing
2011-07-15 6:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2011-09-11 3:49 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-09-11 3:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 8327, cschol2112
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> > So will you, if you try reading that manual in an Info reader. When
>> > you get to this node, you'll understand why its name is this and no
>> > other.
>>
>> Sorry; I still have no idea.
>
> Because you get to that manual by typing `h' (for "help") in any other
> Info manual.
I guess I kinda sorta see why it's Help-^L. It's not a bug, anyway.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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