From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14233: 24.3; Don't constrain frame size to character multiples Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:24:14 +0300 Message-ID: <834neuvas1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <2r7gjy2gyy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83bo991z00.fsf@gnu.org> <517257A0.4080607@gmx.at> <8338ul1rmb.fsf@gnu.org> <517275A0.1040702@gmx.at> <83wqrxzbc7.fsf@gnu.org> <51729A6A.7090404@gmx.at> <83mwstyxre.fsf@gnu.org> <5172D1D6.8030200@gmx.at> <83bo99ys79.fsf@gnu.org> <5173B0B2.9070607@gmx.at> <51750438.5060106@gmx.at> <8C0357F6-5720-42E5-90EB-B83416F0344E@swipnet.se> <51762F4D.7070101@gmx.at> <8361zdxll8.fsf@gnu.org> <51777DF3.5030206@gmx.at> <83fvyfx3c1.fsf@gnu.org> <5178DB50.20404@gmx.at> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366907105 4038 80.91.229.3 (25 Apr 2013 16:25:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esabof@gmail.com, 14233@debbugs.gnu.org To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 25 18:25:09 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UVOyo-00009K-74 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:25:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33340 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UVOyn-0002qL-R9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:25:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48823) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UVOyh-0002jR-EW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:25:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UVOyc-0003XH-Ez for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:24:59 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:39186) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UVOyc-0003X3-Bb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:24:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UVP3a-0004Qa-BO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:30:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14233 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14233-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14233.136690736516928 (code B ref 14233); Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:30:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14233) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2013 16:29:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43295 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UVP2z-0004Ow-9J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:29:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:35442) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UVP2v-0004Om-HM for 14233@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:29:23 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MLT00K00K2OE200@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 14233@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:24:12 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MLT00KDZK8A6S60@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:24:10 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <5178DB50.20404@gmx.at> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:73684 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:29:20 +0200 > From: martin rudalics > CC: jan.h.d@swipnet.se, esabof@gmail.com, 14233@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Could be, but if we want to change that, we need to come up with some > > useful idea of how to deal with a situation where you have the fringe > > between the display margins and the rest of the text area. Surely, in > > this case you must include the display margins in the window > > dimensions, > > ... but the display margins were always included in the window > dimensions ... Yes, and that might explain why so are the fringes. > > but OTOH the fringes separate the window into 2 disjoint > > areas. > > ... so what am I missing? All I want is to maintain fringes exclusively > inside the frame's root window. I don't know anymore who misses what. You said: > >> When you remove the scrollbars the Emacs frame shrinks. When you > >> remove the fringes it does not shrink. Yet, when changing frame > >> sizes we are expected to handle fringes and scrollbars alike: They > >> are no text, they are no windows and therefore should not be counted > >> in the width of the frame's text area. which to me means that you want fringes to NOT be included in the window text area. Therefore, I tried to explain what was (or could be) the motivation to INCLUDE fringes in the text area: because otherwise, the display margins, which ARE part of text area, would become disjoint from the rest of the window's text area by the fringes that are in-between.