From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#108: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:23:47 +0300 Message-ID: <834l0udz7g.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87blv2l46x.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="193141"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 108@debbugs.gnu.org, Reiner.Steib@gmx.de To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 30 09:24:14 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iEq2Y-000o9G-8C for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:24:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46676 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iEq2X-0001I4-03 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:24:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42487) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iEq2N-0001Fw-A2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:24:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iEq2M-0006Gv-9e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:24:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:47897) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iEq2M-0006Gq-6T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEq2M-00019H-28 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:24:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 108 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 108-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B108.15698282374403 (code B ref 108); Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:24:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 108) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2019 07:23:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56718 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEq2G-00018v-4G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:23:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33388) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEq2E-00018d-Kk for 108@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:23:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iEq29-00068O-9k; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:23:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3738 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iEq28-00066s-QF; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:23:49 -0400 In-reply-to: <87blv2l46x.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:54:14 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:167832 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:54:14 +0200 > Cc: Reiner Steib > > Reiner Steib writes: > > > when XEmacs is started with `--vanilla' or `-q', it displays an item > > "Load init files" in the menu bar. The name of the command in XEmacs > > is `load-user-init-file'. > > > > Maybe Emacs should do have something similar. I'm not sure about > > where to add it. Maybe a menu entry in the Options menu and a tool bar > > button? > > Hm... I'm not quite sure what the use case here is. I mean, if you say > "-q" or "-Q", it's because you want an Emacs without any > customisations. So why would you then load ~/.emacs? > > Hm... OK... I could see that it could help with debugging the init > file, for instance. You'd (setq debug-on-error t) or whatever and then > hit the load button. But... if you're doing that, you're probably > better off just `M-x eval-buffer' in ~/.emacs. > > So I'm not sure. Anybody got an opinion? I can only contribute a caveat: loading (via 'load') of init files from within a running Emacs session will not 100% reproduce what happens when those init files are loaded during startup, so if the purpose is to allow debugging those files, loading them from Emacs might not recreate the problems one wants to debug. OTOH, I thought we already have some means of debugging the init files, no?