From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#45438: 27.1; please fix misleading documentation for assoc-delete-all Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 12:58:23 +0200 Message-ID: <834kk8n8a8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zh21fsb3.fsf@cert.kernkonzept.com> <87blehcyai.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5342"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, hendrik.tews@kernkonzept.com, 45438@debbugs.gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 26 11:59:14 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7I2-00012U-3k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 11:59:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45312 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7I1-0001xm-1P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:59:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55964) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7Hq-0001xZ-BS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:59:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:47239) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7Hq-0004xC-4H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:59:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7Hq-0005AZ-3J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:59:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 10:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45438 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 45438-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45438.160898033419857 (code B ref 45438); Sat, 26 Dec 2020 10:59:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 45438) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2020 10:58:54 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58785 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7Hh-0005AD-RC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:58:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34560) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7Hg-0005A0-Ab for 45438@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:58:52 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60800) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7Ha-0004rD-8h; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:58:46 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4409 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7HR-0003tU-Ui; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:58:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:28:00 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:196759 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:28:00 -0500 > Cc: hendrik.tews@kernkonzept.com, 45438@debbugs.gnu.org > > Every new function is listed in the ChangeLog files. > _We_ know when it was introduced. > > What this means > > > > assoc-delete-all was introduced in emacs 26.2, however, > > > describe-function says "Probably introduced at or before Emacs > > > version 21.1.". > > is that the data that describe-function consults does not have all the > information that we have. If the suggestion is to use ChangeLog data for this feature, then I think it won't be easy, because it isn't easy to parse the ChangeLog text for gleaning this more accurate information. For starters, we sometimes say "New function", sometimes just "New", and sometimes have lists of functions (all of which are new) with a single "New" entry. It would be better to have a DB of this data, which we would update with each major release, than to try to parse ChangeLog files, IMO.