From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#39121: 27.0.60; occur: Add bindings for next-error-no-select Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 22:23:26 +0300 Message-ID: <834kciw635.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r1fzi7c3.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <871r7pazx1.fsf@gnus.org> <87wnpg2au7.fsf@gnus.org> <87czr6zyid.fsf@gnus.org> <83y29uwy6d.fsf@gnu.org> <1E39DC01-B819-4D0C-AA21-CC43BDF7D5E6@acm.org> <83wnpewr4c.fsf@gnu.org> <83czr6we8z.fsf@gnu.org> <408C22B8-4A9D-409F-8610-1AE86294FC20@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14669"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, juri@linkov.net, 39121@debbugs.gnu.org, tino.calancha@gmail.com To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 25 21:24:10 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m7jjN-0003bu-WD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 21:24:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56356 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7jjL-0000Kd-Uf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 15:24:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45220) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7jjG-0000KC-5d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 15:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:37865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7jjF-0005Y3-UU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 15:24:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m7jjF-0004l9-Ma for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 15:24:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39121 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 39121-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39121.162724102518270 (code B ref 39121); Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:24:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 39121) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2021 19:23:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49411 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m7jiz-0004kc-4Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 15:23:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47434) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m7jiw-0004kO-Oa for 39121@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 15:23:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43470) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7jiq-0005Gg-9B; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 15:23:36 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4228 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7jip-0007fi-TX; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 15:23:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <408C22B8-4A9D-409F-8610-1AE86294FC20@acm.org> (message from Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= on Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:54:47 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:210730 Archived-At: > From: Mattias Engdegård > Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:54:47 +0200 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, juri@linkov.net, 39121@debbugs.gnu.org, > tino.calancha@gmail.com > > 25 juli 2021 kl. 18.27 skrev Eli Zaretskii : > > > The NEWS file doesn't necessarily describe only stuff documented > > somewhere, it also describes changes that aren't documented anywhere > > but the source code. > > Yes, but then it's always something that affects the user in some way, isn't it? "User" in this case includes Lisp programmers; there's the "Lisp changes" section in NEWS for that reason. > Mentioning changed internals doesn't seem to be standard practice, but I could be wrong about that. Text properties are not internals, they are visible to any Lisp program and to the user. > Would you point out a few examples of where we described changed aspects of undocumented implementation details in NEWS? That would support your view and help me understand it better. Sorry, no, I won't. I think this aspect of the change should be in NEWS, and I'm asking you to document it there. I don't understand why I'm required to go to such lengths to justify a simple request. If you are still not convinced, I will do it myself, because this endless dispute about a couple of sentences in NEWS is more than I can afford. > The question is also whether it should be documented at all. I think it should, and have said so. > > Since you introduced the new format, you probably thought it to be > > better than the existing one, right? Then telling others about that > > would be a good service, IMO. > > The change was made exclusively for improving Occur itself, and the external packages that I have seen would generally draw little advantage from doing anything differently. Of course, I haven't seen them all, but having other people depending on implementation details of your software is a maintenance burden which either impedes progress. Please leave the final judgment about that to me. I understand your point and your doubts, but I still think we should document this aspect of the change in NEWS. I hope this is enough to convince you. TIA