From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50344: C-x v keybinding for vc-print-branch-log Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 15:56:30 +0300 Message-ID: <834k9t0z9d.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87mtoux1ha.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <1f39aa34-6626-3d0b-d764-2c9908787d99@yandex.ru> <87o8998wf4.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <84e4e2ef-6c8d-3645-9e1e-3129981dd45f@yandex.ru> <875yvgvohe.fsf@gnus.org> <87y28burzd.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87o896kt5k.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfyhj3qw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87zgsoctoc.fsf@gnus.org> <59a05468-2309-c6e7-5a2a-51426c208966@yandex.ru> <87tuiv4hvc.fsf@gnus.org> <87fsudsngq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87k0jora9d.fsf@gnus.org> <7ba6c699-cfe5-4fa3-92dd-55b1e227aacf@yandex.ru> <874kaptwki.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878rz5pc9i.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83ily91djz.fsf@gnu.org> <878rz5w9cf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83ee8x1bn8.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26505"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 50344@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, juri@linkov.net To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 07 14:59:04 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mYSzH-0006dR-VM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 14:59:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40536 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYSzG-0002hR-8g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 08:59:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53020) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYSxK-0008IN-J9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 08:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:34772) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYSxK-0002rY-BS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 08:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYSxK-00013l-8v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 08:57:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50344 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50344-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50344.16336114064049 (code B ref 50344); Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:57:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50344) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2021 12:56:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46318 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYSx3-00013F-R5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 08:56:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50970) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYSwy-00012y-JA for 50344@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 08:56:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35492) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYSws-0002eQ-Uk; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 08:56:34 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4599 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYSwr-0000yZ-40; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 08:56:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Thu, 7 Oct 2021 14:12:06 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216653 Archived-At: > Cc: 50344@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 14:12:06 +0300 > > >> Sorry, I see no connection: why changing key bindings requires > >> deprecating the command? > > > > Because people will expect the old binding to work as long as the > > command is useful. > > They shouldn't: we have a lot of commands without dedicated bindings. > > This command will retain some marginal utility, for some users out there > (though I don't know who or why), so removing it doesn't make sense. > > But its utility is incommeasurable with the binding it's taking up. > > Let's announce in Emacs 28's NEWS that we intend to remove (or take > away) the binding 'C-x v b'. Just like we did with the TAB binding in > *xref* buffers. > > >>> It was then, but it can be used today with other backends. > >> > >> What backends do you switch with 'C-x v b' today? > > > > You mean, I personally? Why is that relevant? If you want to say > > that no one uses this command anymore, then that points to deprecating > > the command, and when it's obsolete for long enough time (at least one > > major release, IMO), we can remove its binding. > > "No one" is a very strong criterion. > > What if 2 people total, out of all users, were using this command? That's the same as "no one", for the purposes of this discussion. > Would you still deprecate it, with intent to remove? Or would you still > keep the binding? I didn't say I was against deprecating the command. I said deprecating it is the only way to eventually usurp its key binding. But deprecation will take time, and I was under the impression that Juri wanted the VC branch commands to have the binding NOW.