From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65913: with-help-window arranges for 'inhibit-read-only' to be set to 't' Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 16:56:30 +0300 Message-ID: <834jjynpm9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838r9anrmi.fsf@gnu.org> <_hKt5j_6bUwtEyWyE-e6GenkfdjfDll8AAVkejgxh3gyiYkvovpnhPNs1-ijjzyQaXlAJNSKb917yFQKrejO0q4tTql2vw0iu35n-JbUl8w=@protonmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31022"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 65913@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Heime Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 13 15:58:30 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qgQNy-0007rk-Jx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:58:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgQNb-0005sT-FV; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:58:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgQNR-0005qR-N7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:57:58 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgQNR-0000bp-2n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:57:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgQNW-0006Nm-1U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:58:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 13:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 65913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65913.169461342924494 (code B ref 65913); Wed, 13 Sep 2023 13:58:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2023 13:57:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35454 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgQMf-0006N0-AA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:57:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40824) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgQMb-0006Mc-UY for 65913@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgQMR-0000Sg-22; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:56:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=qyg6bEzQuCqTfHLeqxekhXUAF9S751j664QGg4JuEsw=; b=MiOclJ6ZeMBR KoOvDXF8tlSAaNiWRa1JIS+F+WPis1Bx/pZKADZ2lGxBOxxxyY3HCsyKuv9U4Jdmskx9Bbep0CFR+ J0WL7N8tfVmtkcxDThisrS1cCqLxLKnIeVHvlM1j9OYAME2RwGhOXv8Xw/Vz03066QmRGgwDKsnDL OSyyoXEa8xoEgTYwCyBBCLNaGbbxkF0tmkaN8fhxEecWB0VwcPkGqgIw/CNrXb8FTlXUR32j/hEAi +rnXIEZAN/A+fqdjBvcYTq8VRDIAwWq6JHFJYkVbl0UTrp7AZ01LvCBeMFG/5wvR4nsoZmUOR7Ige 4nuBqHdNyO+AcLgX44UHbQ==; In-Reply-To: <_hKt5j_6bUwtEyWyE-e6GenkfdjfDll8AAVkejgxh3gyiYkvovpnhPNs1-ijjzyQaXlAJNSKb917yFQKrejO0q4tTql2vw0iu35n-JbUl8w=@protonmail.com> (message from Heime on Wed, 13 Sep 2023 13:26:51 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:270284 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 13:26:51 +0000 > From: Heime > Cc: Stefan Kangas , 65913@debbugs.gnu.org > > Docstrings have become so short at times that reading them is of no practical > use. Only because you think everything can be learned from scratch by reading only some more or less random doc strings. That's not how programming in Emacs Lisp should be learned. There's a large Emacs Lisp Reference manual, which has a separate section named "Read-Only Buffers". If you read it when you started working with read-only buffers, you'd have found the inhibit-read-only variable described there. Our recommendation is to read the relevant parts of the ELisp manual whenever you need for the first time work with a specific aspect of Emacs Lisp.