From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#67185: Small bug in the Introduction to Elisp manual Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:16:13 +0200 Message-ID: <834jhikpzm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83edgrrz0h.fsf@gnu.org> <837cmirex3.fsf@gnu.org> <837cmgq23e.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19569"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rphodges@gmail.com, 67185-done@debbugs.gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 19 11:17:37 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r4erx-0004wh-KR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:17:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4erb-00036E-Ao; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 05:17:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4erN-00035b-3K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 05:17:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4erM-00055e-DZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 05:17:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r4erN-0006Wp-Mv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 05:17:01 -0500 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 10:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: cc-closed 67185 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Mail-Followup-To: 67185@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, rphodges@gmail.com Original-Received: via spool by 67185-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D67185.170038901525072 (code D ref 67185); Sun, 19 Nov 2023 10:17:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 67185-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2023 10:16:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50078 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r4erG-0006WI-F1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 05:16:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:32812) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r4erF-0006W3-F2 for 67185-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 05:16:53 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4er8-00054P-8v; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 05:16:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=d0/OUwL7TZKz+oNyGHMYPTWgnAI9cBKC+k1A6jVu1VA=; b=CWXoAZm0YzZ7 pMpWHlvhRJXPEK6D7fs+lo3EmawPL+i+Xth6/zCaTKFVSgmbaq7RYxzjL6Gwuy96FYvJmZwJ8g+7E 2DsWqpWKylDbxr/hziAK2UympTpCPRyhIZIdMa3pcGuSXbpDMIgGvuzFWf582hata/82EU8RG5Zfe 1bLY5u/10kfiebwP/yjnqWR0kZZ/bK2vKC6mOF6J8YCJnbrdyTIjJSkK20S6OWaZMcCHgFilAMZx7 k59C79EX1gUf5lyfcs7nh0OqMZtPVi2XMSzel48HOpUufUSEovUY43awzVhKpSvwzZCXSedo9fom+ 849tUSqu2WvOIv3lYOgWqQ==; In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:40:43 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:274603 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: rphodges@gmail.com, 67185@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:40:43 -0500 > > > That manual uses "converse" and "conversely" about half a dozen times: > > are all of them incorrect, and actually mean "opposite" or maybe "by > > contrast"? > > I checked these, and I think they are correct. Each one is about reversing > the direction of some relation, and "converse" means that/ > > > The @code{kill-region} function definition also has an @code{unless} > > macro; it is the converse of @code{when}. > > That should say "opposite". It's opposite because in the situation > where `when' runs its body, `unless' does not run its body. > > The @code{unless} macro is > > an @code{if} without a then clause > > The point is valid if understood in a figurative sense -- so the > words need to indicate it is meant figuratively, not literally. How > to do that? Maybe this: > > The @code{unless} macro is > like an @code{if} except that it has no then-clause, and it supplies > an implicit @code{nil} for that. Thanks, I fixed these two places as you suggested, and I'm therefore closing this bug.