From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19395: 25.0.50; Setting left fringe to 0 messes up window-width Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:47:59 +0200 Message-ID: <83388ewa4w.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87vblbnz2u.fsf@posteo.de> <83k31rwe55.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhm772o2.fsf@posteo.de> <83h9wvwbux.fsf@gnu.org> <83egrzvtb0.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418831878 12981 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2014 15:57:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19395@debbugs.gnu.org, malsburg@posteo.de To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 17 16:57:51 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Gz0-0001J3-4x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:57:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50412 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Gyz-0000X8-Mq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:57:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45085) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Gys-0000X0-PQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:57:47 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1GqV-0001fV-0D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:50:16 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:39666) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1GqU-0001eI-Kx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:49:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1GqU-0000xb-Ca for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:49:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19395 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19395-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19395.14188312903628 (code B ref 19395); Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19395) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2014 15:48:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49032 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Gpe-0000wS-9u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:48:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:49270) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Gpc-0000wK-Cb for 19395@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:48:09 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGQ00E00H3E8W00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 19395@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:48:06 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGQ00D6EH86W2A0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:48:06 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:97453 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: malsburg@posteo.de, 19395@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:16:04 -0500 > > >> That sounds wrong: if the user decides to get rid of the left-fringe, > >> she just shouldn't get any continuation glyph on the left. > > That's how Emacs worked since v21.1. > > Definitely not 21.1: in 21.1 the fringes could not be modified at all. But they were the only way to show truncation and continuation indicators on GUI frames. > > But then users asked to have continuation and truncation glyphs in > > that case, > > I do remember users clamoring for the possibility to eliminate the > fringes, which was indeed added (in the form of set-window-fringes) > a few versions later (not sure exactly when, but >= 22.1 and <= 22.3). > > I don't remember users asking for "no fringe, but still something where we > can display the continuation glyphs" (and since the fringe is the thing > where we display the continuation glyphs, I read this as "no fringe, yet > with a fringe"). > > This said, I wouldn't be surprised if some users asked for that. http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=11832 > > So what you are suggesting is going back and deleting a feature which > > was added by users' request. > > Not necessarily: I'm suggesting that maybe the Emacs-22 behavior where > "continuation glyphs" are only ever displayed in the fringe (and hence > aren't displayed if there's no fringe) is preferable. As you can see from the above URL, that was an explicit feature request, in response to which we provided the feature. So going back to Emacs 23 behavior is tantamount to removing the feature. > Note also that in the OP's situation, there *is* a fringe on the right, > so I don't see why we need to keep an extra empty space on the right > since we'll never display a continuation glyph on the right elsewhere > than in the fringe. Because of RTL lines. I explained that in more detail in my other message.