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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org>
Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 35383@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#35383: 27.0.50; Complete process of decoding Gnus group names
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:55:19 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8336m5xch4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b4m8svxxk7b.fsf@jpl.org> (message from Katsumi Yamaoka on Fri, 26 Apr 2019 17:08:24 +0900)

> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 17:08:24 +0900
> From: Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org>
> Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 35383@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > It is not unnecessary, because that file could be visited normally in
> > Emacs.  So even if you have to bind coding-system-for-read for some
> > reason (and I admit I don't understand the reasons very well, and in
> > particular this will not affect 'read' or any other primitive that
> > is supposed to be reading from an already decoded buffer/string),
> > there are still valid reasons to have the cookie in the file.
> 
> Well, I don't know why the active files need a coding cookie, but
> what adds it is `gnus-write-active-file' that only gnus-agent and
> gnus-cache use; `nnmail-save-active' that many mail back ends use
> does not add a coding cookie.  Even so, I have no trouble with my
> nnml active file that contains non-ASCII group names.  The file
> is utf-8 encoded and it is Emacs' default (IIUC), so I cannot
> think any reason why the cookie is required.

You are probably in a UTF-8 locale, so your defaults facilitate
detecting the right encoding.  In non-UTF-8 locales this might not be
that easy, Emacs could guess wrong.

More importantly, utf-8-emacs and utf-8 are not the same, the
differences are subtle, but they do exist.  We use utf-8-emacs for
anything that should support any character representable inside Emacs
buffers and strings, so using it here seems correct.  But if someone
wants to visit this file with "C-x C-f", e.g., to manually fix
something there, they should be able to do that without risking
incorrect decoding.

So I think the cookie should stay, especially as it can never do any
harm in this context, AFAIU.





  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-26 10:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-22 18:39 bug#35383: 27.0.50; Complete process of decoding Gnus group names Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-23  8:12 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-04-23 19:55   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-24  8:06     ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-04-24 17:04       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-24 23:48         ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-04-25 16:10           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-26  5:21             ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-04-26  6:53               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-26  8:08                 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-04-26 10:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-04-29  4:05               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-29  4:07                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-29 15:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-29 20:04                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-30  3:55                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-30 17:03                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-30 17:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-30 17:19                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-30 17:44                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-30 18:17                                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-29 15:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  0:32     ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-05-13 20:14       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-05-18 20:25         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-05-18 22:12           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-18 23:23             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-05-19  1:03               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-19  2:56                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-05-19 17:02                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-10 23:19                     ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-06-11  0:03                       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-11  4:33                       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-11  8:09                         ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-04-23 15:42 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-23 21:42   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-23 22:58     ` Andy Moreton
2019-06-17  6:06 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-17 12:12   ` Deus Max
2019-06-17 16:22     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-19 20:57       ` Deus Max
2019-06-19 21:02       ` Deus Max
2019-06-19 21:40         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-20 13:00           ` Deus Max
2019-06-20 16:29             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-20 19:01               ` Deus Max
2019-06-20 19:16                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-21 20:59                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-22 14:44                     ` Deus Max
2019-06-22 16:09                       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-23 10:27                         ` Deus Max
2019-07-08  3:09                           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-07-08 19:46                             ` Deus Max
2019-07-23 23:52                               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-07-30 23:00                               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-08-01 12:07                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-01 16:22                                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-08-03 21:53                                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-27 14:58                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-19 21:28       ` Deus Max

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