From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org>
Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 35383@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#35383: 27.0.50; Complete process of decoding Gnus group names
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:55:19 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8336m5xch4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b4m8svxxk7b.fsf@jpl.org> (message from Katsumi Yamaoka on Fri, 26 Apr 2019 17:08:24 +0900)
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 17:08:24 +0900
> From: Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org>
> Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, 35383@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> > It is not unnecessary, because that file could be visited normally in
> > Emacs. So even if you have to bind coding-system-for-read for some
> > reason (and I admit I don't understand the reasons very well, and in
> > particular this will not affect 'read' or any other primitive that
> > is supposed to be reading from an already decoded buffer/string),
> > there are still valid reasons to have the cookie in the file.
>
> Well, I don't know why the active files need a coding cookie, but
> what adds it is `gnus-write-active-file' that only gnus-agent and
> gnus-cache use; `nnmail-save-active' that many mail back ends use
> does not add a coding cookie. Even so, I have no trouble with my
> nnml active file that contains non-ASCII group names. The file
> is utf-8 encoded and it is Emacs' default (IIUC), so I cannot
> think any reason why the cookie is required.
You are probably in a UTF-8 locale, so your defaults facilitate
detecting the right encoding. In non-UTF-8 locales this might not be
that easy, Emacs could guess wrong.
More importantly, utf-8-emacs and utf-8 are not the same, the
differences are subtle, but they do exist. We use utf-8-emacs for
anything that should support any character representable inside Emacs
buffers and strings, so using it here seems correct. But if someone
wants to visit this file with "C-x C-f", e.g., to manually fix
something there, they should be able to do that without risking
incorrect decoding.
So I think the cookie should stay, especially as it can never do any
harm in this context, AFAIU.
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Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-04-22 18:39 bug#35383: 27.0.50; Complete process of decoding Gnus group names Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-23 8:12 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-04-23 19:55 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-24 8:06 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-04-24 17:04 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-24 23:48 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-04-25 16:10 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-26 5:21 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-04-26 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-26 8:08 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-04-26 10:55 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-04-29 4:05 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-29 4:07 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-29 15:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-29 20:04 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-30 3:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-30 17:03 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-30 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-30 17:19 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-30 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-30 18:17 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-29 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 0:32 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-05-13 20:14 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-05-18 20:25 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-05-18 22:12 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-18 23:23 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-05-19 1:03 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-19 2:56 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-05-19 17:02 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-10 23:19 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-06-11 0:03 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-11 4:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-11 8:09 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-04-23 15:42 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-23 21:42 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-04-23 22:58 ` Andy Moreton
2019-06-17 6:06 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-17 12:12 ` Deus Max
2019-06-17 16:22 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-19 20:57 ` Deus Max
2019-06-19 21:02 ` Deus Max
2019-06-19 21:40 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-20 13:00 ` Deus Max
2019-06-20 16:29 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-20 19:01 ` Deus Max
2019-06-20 19:16 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-21 20:59 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-22 14:44 ` Deus Max
2019-06-22 16:09 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-06-23 10:27 ` Deus Max
2019-07-08 3:09 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-07-08 19:46 ` Deus Max
2019-07-23 23:52 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-07-30 23:00 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-08-01 12:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-01 16:22 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-08-03 21:53 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-09-27 14:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-19 21:28 ` Deus Max
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