From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:51:03 +0300 Message-ID: <8336j2ulgo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zhlbaf5d.fsf@kiddo.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <20190718173252.GA3093@robertalessi.net> <20190718184700.GA4886@robertalessi.net> <20190718203203.GG4886@robertalessi.net> <83tvbiv7dp.fsf@gnu.org> <83h87iur38.fsf@gnu.org> <837e8eumks.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="230092"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 36717@debbugs.gnu.org, alessi@robertalessi.net To: Robert Pluim Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 19 16:52:07 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUEw-000xj5-W1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:52:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46092 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUEv-0005lv-TF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:52:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55108) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUEt-0005lo-Nq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:52:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUEs-0000KN-QW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:52:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:47602) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUEs-0000KH-N9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUEs-0004yR-Hq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:52:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36717 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 36717-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36717.156354787919039 (code B ref 36717); Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 36717) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2019 14:51:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56422 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUEA-0004x0-QA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:51:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42573) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUE6-0004wh-NU for 36717@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:51:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60028) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUE1-00088T-2Z; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:51:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1455 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUE0-0000wY-Eo; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:51:08 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Robert Pluim on Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:41:07 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:163422 Archived-At: > From: Robert Pluim > Cc: 36717@debbugs.gnu.org, alessi@robertalessi.net > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:41:07 +0200 > > >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:26:59 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: > > Eli> As hinted by the last line above, you should try the reverse: type > Eli> "C-x 8 RET 3b9" followed by "C-x 8 RET 301". Then compare that with > Eli> what you get for "C-x 8 RET 3af". > > OK, thatʼs clear now. No sane person would ever do it that way, though :-) Exactly my point, wrt the "advice" to use characters from the Basic Greek block + diacriticals instead of the precomposed characters. > >> We donʼt provide both forms within the same input method. > > Eli> I don't see why this would be a problem. We should provide the > Eli> variant expected by modern Greek in the input methods which target > Eli> modern Greek, and the variants for Classic Greek in input methods > Eli> which target that. Bonus points for providing at least some of the > Eli> other variants in each type of the input methods. > > That would be convenient, but should perhaps be a new, separate, input > method. Could be. However, the existing input methods already provide some of the characters in both variants, and they certainly provide both oxia and tonos as separate diacriticals.