From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40813: [PATCH] Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:20:50 +0300 Message-ID: <83368tb04t.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83a731b2fr.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="485"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 40813@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 13:22:17 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwPP-000Y0Q-3n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:22:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60690 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwPO-00061C-09 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:22:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34756) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwPC-0005yP-K3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:22:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwPC-0001Aq-64 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:22:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45022) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwPB-0001A5-PN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:22:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwPB-0003bD-KW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:22:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 40813 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 40813-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B40813.158772727013759 (code B ref 40813); Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:22:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 40813) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2020 11:21:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56568 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwOL-0003Zr-Sn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:21:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59450) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwOK-0003Za-7a for 40813@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:21:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48797) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwOE-0007Y4-O1; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:21:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4429 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwOE-0004Az-6L; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:21:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:39:12 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178905 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:39:12 +0200 > Cc: 40813@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > I believe org-mode is vastly more well-known and arguably also more > > > intuitive to users. > > > > It is also much larger and heavier. > > Is that a problem in practice? Of course it is. We should be economical, and not bloat the memory footprint of a running Emacs session unnecessarily. > > > IME and IMO, just the simple fact that you can cycle headlines with > > > TAB in org-mode makes things a whole lot easier. > > > > What do you mean by "cycle headlines", and why cannot it be done in > > Outline mode? > > By cycling headlines, I mean hiding and showing them (see org-cycle). > Outline has ten different outline-show-* and outline-hide-* commands > with their respective key bindings. Org-mode has one key for all > this: TAB. Is there any reason not to have that key binding in Outline mode as well? > The main argument is that org-mode will be more familiar to users and > prospective Emacs hackers. That needs to be established. And the relevant population is not all of the users, only those who tend to read NEWS. If they indeed prefer Org mode, let's switch.