From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs,gmane.emacs.orgmode Subject: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 13:57:40 +0200 Message-ID: <83359o23ij.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87tu27jq7h.fsf@localhost> <87k032nyok.fsf@localhost> <39a5810d-75bc-4ddb-8722-703f762ed4de@app.fastmail.com> <835yel11x8.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2801"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, michel@schi.nz, 59882@debbugs.gnu.org To: David Masterson Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 09 12:58:46 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p3c1c-0000PP-IK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 12:58:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3c0z-0006BQ-1J; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 06:58:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3c0x-0006Ar-1b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 06:58:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3c0w-0001se-Ib for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 06:58:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3c0w-0006r1-Ew for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 06:58:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59882 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 59882-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59882.167058708126340 (code B ref 59882); Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:58:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 59882) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2022 11:58:01 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35589 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3c0v-0006qg-D1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 06:58:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47630) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3c0t-0006qa-P9 for 59882@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 06:58:00 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3c0m-0001rX-OW; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 06:57:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=7xRR4AdD4XEKfi30XfxSQ2VDgY4pcJGnoYttGEYh1g8=; b=nX8fUbreSU1t 72llQPNMoWyb1WytPR0HPFLCW1b/d+FKagAzUUF+22kCjzj/czukt6SbqUGetBHt+HK1bNQgqoT0P Q1iSprHOo3E+GR7VUt5HRAC+AM3FQsJfzMlTT0sOaitrS6Q0PHWtVXReNPJAj9PoS+keCripAzb8G 3QlBFo9paGHQEREE5oJ/re8pwZF85VuBc0uzTTYFlkary5eNUmN3KDU6p/fbLNmGe0LMS7B2IogJM 84Z2sYNe/9LBiG8C3YOUzlsU9ADNQUEIYYDdBtNhrq51B+Ku9NJetXFLyEoRXX3A/xDSN6DFH0B+R ObxK78oBJjUEduA7KSAr2Q==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3c0h-0004Q4-Ct; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 06:57:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from David Masterson on Thu, 08 Dec 2022 23:43:05 -0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:250381 gmane.emacs.orgmode:151177 Archived-At: > From: David Masterson > Cc: michel@schi.nz, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, 59882@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2022 23:43:05 -0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> So, 'describe-variable' on org-version causes Org to be loaded?!? > > > > Why is it so surprising? Is this the first time you see that a Help > > command loads something to do its job? > > Yes, it is surprising. How did Emacs know to load Org to find > org-version? I didn't request it to by this action. Or did it do a > package-activate-all (or similar) to ensure that everything was loaded? > That would be overkill. Sometimes the best answer is 'nil'. I don't think Emacs does package-activate-all. But Help commands frequently load packages to provide the documentation of the symbols you ask about. If this is surprising, then I suggest to get used to it.