From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#63072: 28.2; CC Mode: Fix "bsd" style and add "freebsd" and "openbsd" ones Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 12:13:36 +0300 Message-ID: <83354nuhtr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5023567.7IPSAfTSoR@ravel> <4964691.nKnxuYGXMN@ravel> <83cz3rur7v.fsf@gnu.org> <2624808.XrqEPMHAR6@ravel> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6695"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 63072@debbugs.gnu.org To: Olivier Certner Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 26 11:14:42 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1prbEX-0001V4-MY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:14:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prbEK-0007CR-TN; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:14:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prbED-0007Bq-BO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:14:23 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prbDu-0004Mh-TU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:14:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1prbDu-0007jw-4R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:14:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 09:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 63072 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 63072-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B63072.168250039729687 (code B ref 63072); Wed, 26 Apr 2023 09:14:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 63072) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2023 09:13:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54256 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1prbDB-0007il-9r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:13:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39802) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1prbD9-0007iY-1P for 63072@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:13:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prbD2-00047p-Kv; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:13:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=aWfsHDxWxrwvNr4/XBuZCgf0DE7rxK3/bhjtHI/ev08=; b=DJzZMvX0N2qr B7jPuYrYiQmVgiZtTxTmZA4+9ISgDhe5SDLl+bnie4mF2y4Y3Qc067xKC3CS+zJWMb0XWABJGdJjC KZBOmc3/sriZbG5zfu9TgIaDocV4dYthLuVHRvlcrqKdgtG7BVko3W0aKQUSnKwfZQl0pVoAkuyq5 Nhz3/kB/Uf4t0LBp+hB5vGRyOmm0ofwPBnUtMEnk30NK07uVDyVQ8yzLh+ZgHnibElLWFP0/OIDIB LIYm0Wd69DXFBc8jHT1L/DlA50/X5HoAZXW9t8a1/y+NZmhTpu1m3eq5RCCqg924uBC6Qy5ondgdg iz+/8zrl1eaGiSTNNwL3NQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prbD1-0001Z7-PH; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:13:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2624808.XrqEPMHAR6@ravel> (message from Olivier Certner on Wed, 26 Apr 2023 09:28:17 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:260654 Archived-At: > From: Olivier Certner > Cc: 63072@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 09:28:17 +0200 > > > If documented that these styles change to follow the corresponding > > projects, it might be okay, but do we really want to commit ourselves > > to follow them from now to eternity? That's a non-trivial maintenance > > burden, unless the projects themselves take that up upon themselves, > > and will be submitting changes whenever their conventions change. > > But I never said we would commit to that. On the contrary, what I would like > is that the documentation says clearly that "freebsd" and "openbsd" may > change, so that people are aware they cannot rely on these styles to always > remain the same (contrary to the old styles). So that's rather a non- > commitment. > > Additionally, these changes will be exceedingly rare, and styles will just be > updated on a best-effort basis. The "best-effort" part is what bothers me. We introduce these new styles because the relevant projects change the styles, and then we basically tell users: don't expect these styles to actually follow those projects, except by luck? Does that make sense?