From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:20:02 +0300 Message-ID: <831u7rjoyl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <837ghjjqvj.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372101677 15319 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2013 19:21:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, 14704@debbugs.gnu.org To: Sebastian Wiesner Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 24 21:21:17 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UrCKC-0004mh-SB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:21:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42263 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrCKC-0004lr-FC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:21:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37124) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrCK3-0004Yg-1h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:21:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrCJz-0008AX-DV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:21:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44724) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrCJz-0008AK-42 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:21:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrCJy-00008L-GH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:21:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14704.1372101653481 (code B ref 14704); Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:21:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2013 19:20:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39037 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrCJo-00007c-0h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:20:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:52059) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrCJk-000071-QR for 14704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:20:50 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MOW00600WAELC00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 14704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:20:13 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MOW006J0WDPB660@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:20:13 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:75528 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:57:04 +0200 > From: Sebastian Wiesner > Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, 14704@debbugs.gnu.org > > > If all that code were not tested at all, it would never have worked at all. > > It is tested, for sure, but probably less by you, and more by your users. It is tested both by developers and users. Emacs has a myriad of features, some of which are not even documented clearly. No matter how well and long one tests their own code, they can never test it in all the possible combinations with the other features and use cases. As for "less by you", please be careful, because someone might take offense again. E.g., I have a large body of unit tests for display features, such as cursor positioning, which I run by hand every time I touch any of the related code.