From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21746: 24.5; purpose of dired-keep-marker-copy? Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:50:50 +0300 Message-ID: <831tcky7it.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83611wy995.fsf@gnu.org> <8337x0y8j8.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445676743 11935 80.91.229.3 (24 Oct 2015 08:52:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: winkler@gnu.org, 21746@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 24 10:52:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuYc-0000y7-IJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:52:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43499 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuYb-0004vv-AW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:52:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48827) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuYX-0004vo-Jl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:52:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuYU-0003xO-CA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:52:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:44806) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuYU-0003xJ-8l for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuYT-0007WH-Qd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:52:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21746 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21746-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21746.144567666628847 (code B ref 21746); Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:52:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2015 08:51:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35514 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuXa-0007VC-7O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:51:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout25.012.net.il ([80.179.55.181]:35967) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpuXF-0007UU-L6 for 21746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:51:04 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout25.012.net.il by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NWP00800URX3T00@mtaout25.012.net.il> for 21746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:48:30 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NWP0044KV4UXV40@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:48:30 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:107971 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 01:34:01 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: winkler@gnu.org, 21746@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > But if none of them is preloaded, what is it that we do with dired.el > > > > and don't do with the other two packages? > > > > > > We load dired.el when you use `C-x d' (or `C-x 4 d' etc.). > > > We do not load the other two when you do that. I think we > > > should. We should consider them an integral part of Dired, > > > including for documentation purposes. I see no reason not > > > to. > > > > Would adding to dired.el autoload cookies for the commands and options > > in the other 2 packages have the same effect, as far as > > discoverability is concerned, as loading them? If not, what will be > > missing? > > If I understand you correctly, no. The point is to make > their commands and menu items apparent from the outset in > Dired. IIUYC, what you describe would have Dired start > without them, and only if someone used one of their commands > would they be loaded. That doesn't help discovery of what > they have to offer. The commands will be apparent if we use autoload cookies, if by "apparent" you mean the help command will know about them (if you mean something else, please tell). If we want them to be in the menus, we could perhaps add the missing menu items (I didn't check if that will work, though). Once again, patches are welcome.