From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23604: desktop-restore-in-current-display should default to t Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 21:19:49 +0300 Message-ID: <831t4s63i2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<278b113b-21aa-5c54-6550-79bf1e481530@cs.ucla.edu>> <> <<83a8jg65vd.fsf@gnu.org>> <76836464-8187-469c-9ddd-df27b6da1acc@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1464027685 8765 80.91.229.3 (23 May 2016 18:21:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 18:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23604@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 23 20:21:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1b4uTZ-0007Yk-5A for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 20:21:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49735 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b4uTY-0001h1-5o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 14:21:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59514) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b4uTR-0001gY-Eg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 14:21:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b4uTO-0004xE-86 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 14:21:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:51019) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b4uTO-0004xA-4S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 14:21:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4uTO-00067s-0h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 14:21:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 18:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23604 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23604-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23604.146402761723476 (code B ref 23604); Mon, 23 May 2016 18:21:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23604) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2016 18:20:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35123 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4uSf-00066a-7h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 14:20:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39975) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4uSd-00066L-E2 for 23604@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 14:20:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b4uSV-0004j3-8L for 23604@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 14:20:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46695) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b4uSV-0004hP-5d; Mon, 23 May 2016 14:20:07 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3465 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1b4uSQ-00044v-NP; Mon, 23 May 2016 14:20:05 -0400 In-reply-to: <76836464-8187-469c-9ddd-df27b6da1acc@default> (message from Drew Adams on Mon, 23 May 2016 10:47:36 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:118583 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 10:47:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23604@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Leaving it at nil makes no sense to me. It means that you invoke > > Emacs, which will then display on a different terminal -- could be a > > terminal half a world away. That could be something that is desired > > in some specialized use cases, but makes no sense at all as the > > default. > > > > This problem will exist on any platform that supports X displays, > > i.e. on any Posix system. > > > > > Anyway, the right course of action now (if Emacs 25.1 is released > > > with the default value changed to t) is (after the 25.1 release) > > > to fix bug #20247 and revert the default value to nil. > > > > No, the right course is to set it to t and leave it at that. > > You elided this, just after that paragraph: > > At that point, if there is disagreement about the default value, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > i.e., if someone really thinks it should be t by design (and not > just as a workaround), then we can discuss the pros & cons for > the default behavior. And you elided the part where you claim that no arguments were presented in favor of the non-nil value. > The proper default value to use, once bug #20274 is fixed, should > be discussed in that context, not in the context of this temporary > workaround (#23604). > > Let's have that discussion there and then. I don't see any point in delaying the discussion. The correct default value is clear already. > It should be possible to try that and fall back if it is not > possible for some reason (e.g. the display does not exist). Feel free to suggest such a test. > But we should discuss this later and not here. This bug is only > about the temporary workaround of setting the value to `t' _to > avoid bug #20274_ rearing its head by default. I don't see that as a temporary workaround, I think the default should be t regardless.