From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36454: 26.2.90; feature request - Insert char by hex tab completion or C-x 8 RET ffe Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:57:55 +0300 Message-ID: <831rymul58.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<<>>> <<<<87r27016xo.fsf@mouse.gnus.org>>>> <<<>>> <<<<4087f726-f9e7-4bc5-a9b3-7d24d9b7f7c5@default>>>> <<<<2f469306-98d3-8735-4d0d-61aae53321d0@gmail.com>>>> <<<<8a8360df-afe2-4ae8-abac-96e7691f52a6@default>>>> <<<<27479297-ab97-106b-7325-5ac6ef5d0b92@gmail.com>>>> <<<<1981011f-2e19-4f4b-a7ac-8ccd15298b1a@default>>>> <<<<83k1cfy8mp.fsf@gnu.org>>>> <<<6251d2e2-5366-4c06-8c42-811d1aa7d5e3@default>>> <<<831rynwah9.fsf@gnu.org>>> <> <<83wogev83t.fsf@gnu.org>> <9ad40946-43b5-440c-958d-35da10ab2669@default> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="262602"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: van@scratch.space, 36454@debbugs.gnu.org, mrsebastianurban@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 19 16:59:43 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUMH-0016AX-St for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:59:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46104 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUMG-0007zC-9w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:59:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56194) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUMD-0007yu-6Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:59:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoULv-0004pr-3a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:59:25 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:47609) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoULe-0004NJ-6u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:59:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoULe-0005BS-2D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:59:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36454 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 36454-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36454.156354831919887 (code B ref 36454); Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:59:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 36454) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2019 14:58:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56430 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoULH-0005Ah-2v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:58:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43811) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoULE-0005AM-KS for 36454@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:58:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60200) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUKs-0003yB-2v; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:58:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1870 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hoUKf-0005pz-J3; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:58:06 -0400 In-reply-to: <9ad40946-43b5-440c-958d-35da10ab2669@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:38:40 +0000 (UTC)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:163424 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:38:40 +0000 (UTC) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: mrsebastianurban@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, van@scratch.space, > 36454@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Completion is a very poor means for discovery and browsing. > [...] > 2. I disagree that it is true. I would suggest/guess > that you just don't have sufficient experience with > a better completion UI than that offered by `emacs -Q'. > Ask users of Ivy or Helm whether they use completion > that way. Since this feature is proposed for core Emacs, we are by definition talking about "emacs -Q", not about Ivy or Helm. The latter have infrastructure on which to build the feature you want without any changes in core. > > it can be used for that, but with very low efficiency and user-friendliness. > > That's too big a generalization to be helpful in this > discussion. Generalizations are sometimes useful tools for making decisions and getting one's point across. > > So we should not judge the need for completion by considering any use > > cases other than just completion, i.e. finding a specific character or > > a small group of related characters. > > Need? How about value and usefulness? Indeed, I think it would be useless, even harmful.