From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20403: Antw: Re: bug#20403: Format of NEWS (navigating in it) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 18:11:14 +0200 Message-ID: <831runipul.fsf@gnu.org> References: <55375867020000A100019F48@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> <87pniex9a4.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> <2ecef70596fda1bcaaaa31944a01a39a@webmail.orcon.net.nz><2ecef70596fda1bcaaaa31944a01a39a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> (message from Phil Sainty on Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:56:50 +1300) <83eeytnffd.fsf@gnu.org> <5DBFD069020000A100034D6C@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="237997"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, 20403@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se To: "Ulrich Windl" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 04 17:12:15 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iRexj-000zmR-4O for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 17:12:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34898 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iRexi-0005nt-29 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:12:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iRexc-0005m9-21 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:12:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iRexY-0002e9-SN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:12:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:56808) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iRexW-0002dV-4f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:12:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iRexV-00013c-RI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:12:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 16:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20403 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 20403-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20403.15728838733990 (code B ref 20403); Mon, 04 Nov 2019 16:12:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20403) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2019 16:11:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37396 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iRewi-00012H-FH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:11:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40949) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iRewg-000123-Sc for 20403@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:11:11 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60544) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iRewa-0002QA-SY; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:11:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2562 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iRewa-0004st-5M; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:11:04 -0500 In-reply-to: <5DBFD069020000A100034D6C@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de> (Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:170943 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 08:16:57 +0100 > From: "Ulrich Windl" > Cc: <20403@debbugs.gnu.org>, > > ChangeLog-like files, especially when being more or less chronological always > cause trouble when merging NEWS is not a chronological file. Its order is more or less random. > > If we want a better NEWS, I'd suggest to introduce a new mode, which > > will inherit from Outline mode, but will support some sort of > > "include" directive. Then we could have a NEWS file that just > > "include"d the versioned files, and Emacs would display their > > contents, perhaps given some user command to expand a given version's > > news. As a bonus, this would let us have a single NEWS file, from > > user's POV, like other (smaller) projects do. > > Hmm:? Minor-mode "include-view" that presents a (read-only) view of a document > with all includes expanded. Actual include syntax would be delegated to some > functions or REGEXes... I cannot find include-view anywhere in Emacs. What did I miss? In any case, we need a derivative of Outline mode, so that readers could fold and expand sub-entries. The Emacs NEWS file is very large, and most users aren't interested in every single piece of news. Thanks.