From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#44068: 28.0.50; Faulty uses of tabulated-list-format Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 21:43:57 +0300 Message-ID: <831rhuoy36.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87imb7e242.fsf@gmx.net> <83zh4ipbli.fsf@gnu.org> <877drm13j3.fsf@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4747"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 44068@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stephen Berman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 19 20:44:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kUa8i-00018S-Jz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:44:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47544 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUa8h-0003Az-MN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:44:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37020) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUa8Z-0003Ar-1H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:44:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59050) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUa8Y-0006X2-At for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:44:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUa8Y-0005ZE-9E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:44:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44068 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 44068-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44068.160313303821384 (code B ref 44068); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:44:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 44068) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 18:43:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42363 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUa8U-0005Yp-A2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:43:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58362) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUa8S-0005Yc-Ba for 44068@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:43:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39821) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUa8M-0006VA-SB; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:43:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4412 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kUa8M-0007Ky-B7; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:43:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <877drm13j3.fsf@gmx.net> (message from Stephen Berman on Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:20:16 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:191028 Archived-At: > From: Stephen Berman > Cc: 44068@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:20:16 +0200 > > > Instead of manually fine-tuning each column's width, wouldn't it be > > better to use the string-trim capabilities that replace excess > > characters with an ellipsis? > > I'm not sure I understand your suggestion. If you mean to truncate the > column label in the header line when displaying the sort indicator, > e.g. change "Status" to "Sta… ▼", I'm dubious it's worth the effort, > since most of the problematic cases in the Emacs sources are with the > final column, where there's always enough space, but due to the > misleading description in tabulated-list-format's doc string, many modes > have made it unnecessarily narrow, preventing the display of the sort > indicator. So to avoid the final column being labelled e.g. either > "File" or "Fi… ▼" instead of "File ▼", it is necessary to change the > width manually anyway. In other words, the truncation proposal would be > an addition to manual fine-tuning (for non-final columns), not a > substitute for it. Or did you mean something else? Yes, I meant it as an addition, which will make this issue much more future proof. Documentation update is definitely fine (and should probably go to emacs-27, not to master, right?), and adjusting the column widths to eliminate the ellipsis is also okay. I just don't want us to end with these two and nothing else.