From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31796: 27.1; dired-do-find-regexp-and-replace fails to find multiline regexps Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 17:16:46 +0200 Message-ID: <831rgivl7l.fsf@gnu.org> References: <10120030-8b8d-b702-add4-8f099f934ed5@chalmers.se> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20208"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 31796@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Andreas Abel Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 24 16:17:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kha4M-00059U-QP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2020 16:17:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43878 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kha4L-0001eg-Na for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:17:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57302) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kha3y-0001d4-Dr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:17:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49340) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kha3y-0006TH-6V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:17:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kha3y-0004wZ-2Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:17:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 15:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31796 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 31796-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31796.160623101618989 (code B ref 31796); Tue, 24 Nov 2020 15:17:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 31796) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2020 15:16:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60886 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kha3s-0004wD-2E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:16:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38998) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kha3q-0004w1-Tg for 31796@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:16:55 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45821) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kha3l-0006P0-3I; Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:16:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1966 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kha3k-0003rs-55; Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:16:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Andreas Abel on Tue, 24 Nov 2020 00:49:24 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:194074 Archived-At: > From: Andreas Abel > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 00:49:24 +0100 > > We value stability and conservativity over everything else. We do, too. If you stick around for a while, you will see how many discussions here are due to the determination not to introduce even the slightest risk of breaking compatibility with existing behavior. In fact, some of the passion in Dmitry's response wasn't directed at you, it was directed at myself and other senior maintainers who frequently object to changes and/or request complicated backward-compatibility shims, for that very reason. So please don't assume we don't care about stability, or don't care enough. It would be simply unfair to make such assumptions. We certainly don't need lectures about keeping Emacs stable and compatible. What you see in this case is not the result of negligence or carelessness, it is the result of not being aware of this (relatively rare) use case becoming broken when we changed the UI of this and similar commands to a more convenient one. It took time for people to report the problem, and it takes us more time to come up with a good solution. That's all. If you have practical ideas for how to support these use cases with the current command, please describe them. TIA.