From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46627: [External] : bug#46627: [PATCH] Add new help command 'describe-command' Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 10:04:03 +0200 Message-ID: <831rd2os24.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835z2o4fes.fsf@gnu.org> <83blcezntj.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22038"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, rms@gnu.org, 46627@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 27 09:05:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lFub9-0005bN-33 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 09:05:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40518 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lFub7-0000gB-Qv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 03:05:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60372) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lFub0-0000fu-UG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 03:05:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59826) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lFub0-0006mT-Mq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 03:05:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lFub0-00078y-Hn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 03:05:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46627 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 46627-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46627.161441307427415 (code B ref 46627); Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:05:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Feb 2021 08:04:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43139 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lFuaY-000786-Ag for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 03:04:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42452) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lFuaW-00077s-7S for 46627@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 03:04:32 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56905) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lFuaP-0006Pr-S3; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 03:04:26 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2683 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lFuaB-0005tD-Ly; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 03:04:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:34:21 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:200927 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > CC: "larsi@gnus.org" , "rms@gnu.org" , > "46627@debbugs.gnu.org" <46627@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:34:21 +0000 > > Apropos... > > Coming back to this, as I just happened to be reading > Paul Graham's essay "Novelty and Heresy" today, and > it rang a bell... It's strange to have such a discussion in a context of a bug report... > The positive takeaway, beyond the case of using > completion for discovery? > > The depressingly large dead zones around mistaken > assumptions [can] become excitingly large mines of > new ideas. AFAIU, this is a classical circular logic fallacy: assume that an idea is a smart one and everyone opposed to it is silly or mistaken, and everything else follows. What if it's the other way around?