From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52058: 29.0.50; Confused by usage and documentation of "C-x 8 e e" Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 16:11:05 +0200 Message-ID: <831r37otc6.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22443"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: 52058@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 23 15:11:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mpWVq-0005XU-9Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 15:11:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33330 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpWVo-0008Ve-OB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 09:11:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54300) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpWVi-0008VT-SJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 09:11:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:38774) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpWVi-000830-Jx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 09:11:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpWVi-0001tG-3l for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 09:11:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 14:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 52058 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16376766597252 (code B ref -1); Tue, 23 Nov 2021 14:11:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2021 14:10:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50320 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpWVe-0001su-IE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 09:10:58 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:34984) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpWVa-0001sk-Ds for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 09:10:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54194) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpWVa-0008VD-9G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 09:10:54 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=47158 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpWVa-00080z-0q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 09:10:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:Subject:To:From:Date:in-reply-to: references; bh=GU9oWiTABW/+me6elvw0sN3vl/hUCxLJhrGHJ65HGwI=; b=PlOg6gCLJx0Y/+ eYwSoLhwLMaA7B89ygNBGkeZ9CrcDARUafTX+uvVlC/L1r2cJvHDKu6YV0J3HnP4kOPkU7rbIwlEL To5c0RVjd+oUbgmFkQrTGknh5yAob7NDjWwIs/1bA4vVRH850dBXTcG+vNL6ldm10Rp6wijX5ZbFE 3J0AtpzZY/HlZYpkFk1jncfqHCk1KqAAgMoZuG0WpWabWyNcrD4KlqPJ2OdyIMDnvB4NOuImGSGJJ Lv8eHZDw9ddBSUfP/+InG/bThegcJyeRnRAWaANFU085V6bm43guZGQogrpH2im7T4eiPQNLABvd7 ga65+On2r7bpIHPcRBTw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2956 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpWVZ-00088p-Np for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 09:10:54 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:220663 Archived-At: I did: emacs -Q C-x 8 e e This pops up a window with a list of Emoji categories and the respective Emoji. It looks like a normal popup window Emacs shows, for example *Help* or a list of completion candidates, so I just typed arrow to dismiss it as I'm used to. (Or maybe I expected the arrow keys to allow selection of categories?) This displays the following message in the echo-area: Unbound suffix: ‘’ (Use ‘C-g’ to abort, ‘?’ for help) [previous-line] Tried some other keys with a similar effect. (What is "suffix", and "unbound" on top of that?) So finally, I press '?', hoping it will show me the light. This gets me the following: Type a to show help for that suffix command, or ? to show manual. Type C-g to exit help. Tried to type some . For example, 'a'. This produces: emoji--command-Emoji\ >\ Animals\ &\ Nature is an interactive compiled Lisp function. (emoji--command-Emoji\ >\ Animals\ &\ Nature) Not documented. This function is for interactive use only. Hmm... not very helpful, as I still don't understand how to do something useful here. "Not documented"? hmm... But I'm not yet frustrated enough for C-g, so I type a second '?', hoping to see the manual, and is presented with the following: emoji--command-Emoji is an interactive compiled Lisp function. (emoji--command-Emoji) Not documented. This function is for interactive use only. Where's my promised "manual"? So, bottom line, I think it would be mighty good to make this interface more user-friendly, so that it at least describes what s one can type to produce something useful. And if it promises a "manual", please make it show something to that effect... In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 210, i686-pc-mingw32) of 2021-11-23 built on HOME-C4E4A596F7 Repository revision: 8b62b20159f8ec3f5c7ea5227f814681741d61b1 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 System Description: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (v5.1.0.2600) Configured using: 'configure -C --prefix=/d/usr --with-wide-int --enable-checking=yes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=-O0 -gdwarf-4 -g3'' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS WEBP XPM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1255 Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message mailcap yank-media rmc puny dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs auth-source password-cache json map time-date mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils eieio-opt speedbar ezimage dframe find-func shortdoc text-property-search help-fns radix-tree emoji-labels emoji transient cl-seq format-spec edmacro kmacro eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs cl-extra seq gv subr-x byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv help-mode cl-loaddefs cl-lib iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel dos-w32 ls-lisp disp-table term/w32-win w32-win w32-vars term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads w32notify w32 lcms2 multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 128507 10597) (symbols 48 12084 1) (strings 16 51322 3299) (string-bytes 1 1264079) (vectors 16 24397) (vector-slots 8 320035 12877) (floats 8 74 75) (intervals 40 8376 93) (buffers 888 11))