From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32921: emacsclient obeys Xresources even when launched with -nw Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 17:00:52 +0300 Message-ID: <831qwrey97.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o7zvc8xi.fsf@gnus.org> <835ym3f0xt.fsf@gnu.org> <875ym3c7bj.fsf@gnus.org> <834k1nezs3.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee0raqy2.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21052"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 32921@debbugs.gnu.org, jimis@gmx.net To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 18 16:02:37 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nrKG4-0005HN-QQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 16:02:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38332 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrKG3-0002kD-R4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 10:02:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45006) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrKFX-0002Ob-C6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 10:02:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39159) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrKFX-0008FM-3G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 10:02:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrKFX-0003Nb-1Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 10:02:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 14:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32921 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 32921-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32921.165288247910771 (code B ref 32921); Wed, 18 May 2022 14:02:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32921) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 May 2022 14:01:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33045 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrKEo-0002nH-Lg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 10:01:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51366) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrKEm-0002gG-Km for 32921@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 10:01:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58406) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrKEf-00083h-Ia; Wed, 18 May 2022 10:01:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=my3dwzOXIbAUuC/QXyI1jIutgyujeK3ymuBW9kqkDiU=; b=HtLoosGxywVq cHkQoa0iZlC/i+nJiTib5+iiUToYw5nRzsNvDjcktZPa7iIy9hMexWv/uPTAm7pZVss0aFamSuwlX KgMYmQMiZSgKtKk1KKyZjNdGjj9RjEbAKt01CfCbxtR9zZTDwgQCLaW67LmEF+FMSlmxhyFTWm/WF JzKTe2ble6I/6dZDonF2+4sogjjjvQMNmhBvZRjDMMhB6H7JDFVvaGYKLwJ2/49GzkVMD6nNQ/aLI wwJru/IGVZ/vJOvXF+sER5WQqWdyp14vILnAQrvm3kkV+YCwdMSTF83D8/zw35XG3JVYazHVzpRH0 7hjtPQcYjS8yRxiYRCDfSQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4564 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrKEU-0002ix-MH; Wed, 18 May 2022 10:01:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87ee0raqy2.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Wed, 18 May 2022 15:52:21 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:232573 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: jimis@gmx.net, 32921@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 15:52:21 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > So the difference is between (a) taking notice of the reverseVideo > > resource at startup timer as opposed to (b) at frame creation time, is > > that right? If so, I think this might affect the use case whereby > > someone changes the X resources after Emacs has already started, or > > something? > > Yes, it would change that behaviour... but I think we'd want that? If > the user changes reverseVideo, then I think it's natural to expect > subsequent frames to heed that. (Not that I think that's very > important -- people generally don't do that.) It's a change in long-standing behavior, and someone out there is bound to want it. > > Maybe it would be safer to add a special frame-parameter which will > > record the fact that some parameters came from X resources, and will > > then refrain from applying those parameters to TTY frames? Or maybe > > we should have some other special construct in default-frame-alist > > that prevents some parameters from being applied to TTY frames? > > Because I think reverseVideo is just one example of such parameters. > > Yes, a default-frame-parameters-for-window-system (or something like > that) variable might make sense in general. Then users could specify > these things separately for TTY and GUI. > > But are there many parameters like this? Most of the frame parameters > are ignored on TTY... Many are ignored, but some are relevant: . foreground and background colors . cursor blinking . menuBar . tabBar > > Yes, we emulate X resources using the Registry on MS-Windows (although > > I think this is largely unknown and unused). > > I see. I wondered whether this was for using X servers under Windows, > somehow... (I think that existed a long time ago, at least?) It did? I only know about X servers used to run X programs from remote Unix hosts. And there's a Cygwin build of Emacs, of course, but that runs as if on a Unix host.