From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:27:05 +0200 Message-ID: <831qq0d5wm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12120"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 18 09:28:24 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwjY-0002mk-9l for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 09:28:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwjF-0008W3-K0; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:28:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwjD-0008Rd-Du for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:28:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwjC-0006am-Su for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:28:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwjC-0005Ud-F4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:28:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 08:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59258 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 59258-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59258.166876003121054 (code B ref 59258); Fri, 18 Nov 2022 08:28:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 59258) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2022 08:27:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35192 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwiM-0005TW-Kz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:27:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43988) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwiK-0005TI-Da for 59258@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:27:08 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwiF-0006Vb-6b; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:27:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=yolU7BALYZPisiN2lzvxS08BZlTCSz7d96IUyfwky0o=; b=iKHgIgfUHRK5 Eh15I0DaxzoQ/ugEzCi0M3TT0RlCnxYZvbuweRlmBNig6xiwFIQr2RYFn1xDEj5bNW7yM5PFf8Rs1 pYIW2t6RCQGALmWdfYSKxq7TYBfEJY8aM5Sw/TF0GO93f9XFS/NMPepzFEoHkhs/WC8FXuD4YiR1f Yl4LNLq6HPjquqDjGEOOnIEbA6/eb8pbINaYL9CxruZeyg9/DF+IsN6jNQYr6B+JmlvENU4guExSV LQIImPVwIxWQcLR14zTL6WUXURlwXqXH190sItCAmcGYjGuYzPavHKVWgp2f2vpHhfo03AIpWKBqz 9ahV+eDI79c6rizqILGOoA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwiD-0005tO-Vf; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:27:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:05:49 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:248183 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, > 59258@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:05:49 -0500 > > > AFAIU, these are the manuals that the FSF sells in their shop. I'd > > rather not delete them, because when they decide to print another > > edition, > > It would be good for the maintainers to talk with the FSF about when > to publish a new paper edition. It's usually the other way around: when the FSF is about to publish a new version of some Emacs manual, someone from the FSF contacts us and asks to produce a specially-formatted PDF file. They also show us the colophon and the back-cover text and ask us to proof-read it for factual mistakes; for example, the list of supported programming languages and important features changes from edition to edition. Because this happens once in a very long while, people tend to forget what was done for previous printings, and that's why it is important to keep the last printed book, so one could look inside and recollect what was done and how.