From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#68200: 30.0.50; Emacs reloads init file when calling `documentation' Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 21:22:08 +0200 Message-ID: <831qanllpb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8734vgjya9.fsf@web.de> <83wmsrzxtk.fsf@gnu.org> <875y056hvj.fsf@web.de> <8334v9simj.fsf@gnu.org> <877ckloxos.fsf@web.de> <83r0iqptu5.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23918"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, 68200@debbugs.gnu.org, acm@muc.de To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 11 20:23:31 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0eH-00061y-13 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 20:23:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0du-0005Z9-Oj; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:23:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0dt-0005Yo-7e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:23:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0ds-0003D3-Pd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:23:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0dq-0004D6-97 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:23:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68200 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 68200-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68200.170500094916122 (code B ref 68200); Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:23:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 68200) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2024 19:22:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33919 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0dI-0004By-Ms for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:22:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42622) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0dH-0004Bl-8t for 68200@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:22:27 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0dD-0002m1-QN; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:22:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=ziCpUfHh+rE2oi7wVA2E8EdTzTpEvNoPyU0NViX6hKA=; b=HnoSdvbspoeNtGoxGRfk MfT3MULYo6/FD/bTQbCHBAP/uKXmKEb4N//S+iibKhhPsEX8b2mEvF2QsNDU9DoJvZ+sl/ek3beMk 45Yd2otT78jtY8BZ/cnlIrMTXXGD04Y13WXtEI4FXzhGERayud5E1rMdKmTm8EtwtNSwOztCWE5Xb AOFdI11+lkwbFUfSgg4BGQxOIux0x986bXv+tFVmmNKZjB72ebfWzAFb2JjDifWUOKL+Vk8xdhceT qWKO0kQepYY8Q6eLD589HMoESYt1I7tezYAhXGb5aD6l5nNApihd4CldMn5VHXA9qGjgoidpxj9y4 tcdmEMCll3qskA==; In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Thu, 11 Jan 2024 18:10:58 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:277934 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 18:10:58 +0000 > Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, 68200@debbugs.gnu.org, > acm@muc.de > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > No, 40MB is far from being negligible. > > It's not negligible compared with the rest of Emacs, but is less than ¼% > of the RAM in a machine with 16GB. No, it isn't, because most of those 16GB are in use at any given moment. > No, the bug has been fixed. But, as Michael pointed out, lots of things > are being done with doc strings now which weren't being done when the > dynamic doc strings were introduced. Indeed, they were surely a > workaround for limited RAM in machines a very long time ago. > > Now that we're doing more with doc strings, the inconvenience of not > getting a doc string after editing a source file might well outweigh the > relatively small amount of RAM that these doc strings need. > > Hence the suggestion to change the default. Since I disagree with your argument about memory being available for free, I also disagree with the suggestion that is based on that argument.