From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#25627: 25.1; `help-make-xrefs' loads `cl-extra.el' now Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 10:44:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <82c8d359-fd05-4bff-9dba-29d2738d435d@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1486320312 19490 195.159.176.226 (5 Feb 2017 18:45:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 18:45:12 +0000 (UTC) To: 25627@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 05 19:45:08 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1caRoB-0004os-EM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:45:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44130 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1caRoH-0002Ep-1u for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sun, 5 Feb 2017 18:44:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:128995 Archived-At: `help-make-xrefs' in `help-mode.el' calls `cl-some', which is defined in `cl-extra.el' as an autoload. Should we really be loading `cl-extra.el' now, as soon as a user does, for example, `C-h f'? In that case, what is really "extra" about it (for interactive use of Emacs, at least)? I thought that the point of creating `cl-lib.el' was to give people a library of the most-used CL constructs and still let them avoid loading all of `cl.el'. If we are, in effect, loading `cl-extra.el' now nearly by default then what's the point of separating out `cl-lib.el'? Is this use of `cl-some' perhaps just due to laziness? It's not hard to get the same effect without using it and loading `cl-extra.el'. In GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2016-11-15 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3''