* bug#24995: 25.1; Emacs manual: no doc on "bracketed paste mode" @ 2016-11-23 2:50 Drew Adams 2016-11-23 3:26 ` Drew Adams 2016-11-23 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2016-11-23 2:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 24995 What is touted as a "nifty new feature" and an "advanced capability" in the Antinews is not mentioned anywhere else. If it's so nifty and advanced, say something about it, somewhere. What is it? What can I do with it? If you're going to call it out, at least consider providing a link to the NEWS entry for it from the place that it's mentioned in the manual. In GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2016-09-17 built on LAPHROAIG Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: 'configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install CFLAGS=-static' ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* bug#24995: 25.1; Emacs manual: no doc on "bracketed paste mode" 2016-11-23 2:50 bug#24995: 25.1; Emacs manual: no doc on "bracketed paste mode" Drew Adams @ 2016-11-23 3:26 ` Drew Adams 2016-11-23 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2016-11-23 3:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 24995 In particular, how do you turn it off? http://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/28851/105 `C-h f brack TAB' didn't help. `C-h v brack TAB' didn't help. As the OP for that question said, googling didn't help. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* bug#24995: 25.1; Emacs manual: no doc on "bracketed paste mode" 2016-11-23 2:50 bug#24995: 25.1; Emacs manual: no doc on "bracketed paste mode" Drew Adams 2016-11-23 3:26 ` Drew Adams @ 2016-11-23 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii 2019-11-11 3:19 ` Stefan Kangas 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-11-23 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams, Philipp Stephani; +Cc: 24995 > Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:50:24 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> > > What is touted as a "nifty new feature" and an "advanced capability" > in the Antinews is not mentioned anywhere else. That's inaccurate: it is mentioned in NEWS. (How do you think Antinews is being prepared?) > If it's so nifty and advanced, say something about it, somewhere. > What is it? What can I do with it? The bracketed paste mode is not an Emacs feature, it's a feature of the terminal. Emacs just uses it when it thinks it's available. If you want to learn about this, you should look in the terminal-related documentation, or on the net. I don't think Emacs should describe features of terminals it runs on. > In particular, how do you turn it off? > http://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/28851/105 > > `C-h f brack TAB' didn't help. > `C-h v brack TAB' didn't help. > > As the OP for that question said, googling didn't help. That's fine, because there's no way to turn it off, so there's nothing to document. IOW, I don't think there's any documentation problem here. I do think it would be nice to let users disable use of this feature, even if the terminal supports it. Since we do that with other xterm extensions (see xterm-extra-capabilities), we should probably offer the same level of control for this capability, either as part of getSelection, or as a separate feature. Philipp, would you like to add this on the emacs-25 branch? TIA ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* bug#24995: 25.1; Emacs manual: no doc on "bracketed paste mode" 2016-11-23 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-11-11 3:19 ` Stefan Kangas 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-11-11 3:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Philipp Stephani, 24995 tags 24995 + wontfix close 24995 thanks Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:50:24 -0800 (PST) >> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> >> >> What is touted as a "nifty new feature" and an "advanced capability" >> in the Antinews is not mentioned anywhere else. > > That's inaccurate: it is mentioned in NEWS. (How do you think > Antinews is being prepared?) > >> If it's so nifty and advanced, say something about it, somewhere. >> What is it? What can I do with it? > > The bracketed paste mode is not an Emacs feature, it's a feature of > the terminal. Emacs just uses it when it thinks it's available. If > you want to learn about this, you should look in the terminal-related > documentation, or on the net. I don't think Emacs should describe > features of terminals it runs on. > >> In particular, how do you turn it off? >> http://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/28851/105 >> >> `C-h f brack TAB' didn't help. >> `C-h v brack TAB' didn't help. >> >> As the OP for that question said, googling didn't help. > > That's fine, because there's no way to turn it off, so there's nothing > to document. > > IOW, I don't think there's any documentation problem here. With the above, and seeing nothing else to do here, I'll close this as wontfix. Best regards, Stefan Kangas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* bug#24995: 25.1; Emacs manual: no doc on "bracketed paste mode" [not found] ` <<83vave5fbr.fsf@gnu.org> @ 2016-11-23 16:42 ` Drew Adams 2016-11-27 21:11 ` Philipp Stephani 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2016-11-23 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii, Drew Adams, Philipp Stephani; +Cc: 24995 > > What is touted as a "nifty new feature" and an "advanced > > capability" in the Antinews is not mentioned anywhere else. > > That's inaccurate: it is mentioned in NEWS. (How do you think > Antinews is being prepared?) Of course, you want to argue... Clearly, based on the Subject line, I meant: What is touted ... in the `Antinews' NODE OF THE EMACS MANUAL as ... is not mentioned anywhere else IN THE EMACS MANUAL. (And I specifically stated that it is mentioned in the NEWS. This bug report is about the Emacs manual.) > > If it's so nifty and advanced, say something about it, somewhere. > > What is it? What can I do with it? > > The bracketed paste mode is not an Emacs feature, it's a feature of > the terminal. Emacs just uses it when it thinks it's available. If > you want to learn about this, you should look in the terminal- > related documentation, or on the net. I don't think Emacs should > describe features of terminals it runs on. > > > In particular, how do you turn it off? > > http://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/28851/105 > > > > `C-h f brack TAB' didn't help. > > `C-h v brack TAB' didn't help. > > > > As the OP for that question said, googling didn't help. > > That's fine, because there's no way to turn it off, so there's > nothing to document. > > IOW, I don't think there's any documentation problem here. Too bad. > I do think it would be nice to let users disable use of this > feature, even if the terminal supports it. Since we do that > with other xterm extensions (see xterm-extra-capabilities), > we should probably offer the same level of control for this > capability, either as part of getSelection, or as a separate > feature. Clearly. If Emacs can suddenly start supporting it then Emacs can provide a way to turn it off (it was, in effect, off before). > Philipp, would you like to add this on the emacs-25 branch? Yes, thank you. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* bug#24995: 25.1; Emacs manual: no doc on "bracketed paste mode" 2016-11-23 16:42 ` Drew Adams @ 2016-11-27 21:11 ` Philipp Stephani 2016-11-28 3:25 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Philipp Stephani @ 2016-11-27 21:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams, Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24995 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1135 bytes --] Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> schrieb am Mi., 23. Nov. 2016 um 17:43 Uhr: > > > I do think it would be nice to let users disable use of this > > feature, even if the terminal supports it. Since we do that > > with other xterm extensions (see xterm-extra-capabilities), > > we should probably offer the same level of control for this > > capability, either as part of getSelection, or as a separate > > feature. > > Clearly. > > If Emacs can suddenly start supporting it then Emacs can > provide a way to turn it off (it was, in effect, off before). > > > Philipp, would you like to add this on the emacs-25 branch? > > Yes, thank you. > There shouldn't be any need for turning off bracketed pasting. It's just a separate input key sequence that is either sent or not sent by the terminal emulator. This isn't different from e.g. the Hyper key; there's also no option to disable the latter. The issue here is that the terminal emulator sends various escape sequences to the running program; such escape sequences cannot in general be used as custom key sequences, because they are intended to have a special predefined meaning. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1796 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* bug#24995: 25.1; Emacs manual: no doc on "bracketed paste mode" 2016-11-27 21:11 ` Philipp Stephani @ 2016-11-28 3:25 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-12-28 21:11 ` Philipp Stephani 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-11-28 3:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Philipp Stephani; +Cc: 24995 > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 21:11:36 +0000 > Cc: 24995@debbugs.gnu.org > > > I do think it would be nice to let users disable use of this > > feature, even if the terminal supports it. Since we do that > > with other xterm extensions (see xterm-extra-capabilities), > > we should probably offer the same level of control for this > > capability, either as part of getSelection, or as a separate > > feature. > > Clearly. > > If Emacs can suddenly start supporting it then Emacs can > provide a way to turn it off (it was, in effect, off before). > > > Philipp, would you like to add this on the emacs-25 branch? > > Yes, thank you. > > There shouldn't be any need for turning off bracketed pasting. It's just a separate input key sequence that is > either sent or not sent by the terminal emulator. This isn't different from e.g. the Hyper key; there's also no > option to disable the latter. That is true, but we still allow the user to control the other similar extensions, which all fit your description. So why should support for bracketed paste mode be different? It's inconsistent, and I can't think of a reason why we would want this inconsistency. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* bug#24995: 25.1; Emacs manual: no doc on "bracketed paste mode" 2016-11-28 3:25 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-12-28 21:11 ` Philipp Stephani 2016-12-29 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Philipp Stephani @ 2016-12-28 21:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24995 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1609 bytes --] Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb am Mo., 28. Nov. 2016 um 04:25 Uhr: > > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com> > > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 21:11:36 +0000 > > Cc: 24995@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > I do think it would be nice to let users disable use of this > > > feature, even if the terminal supports it. Since we do that > > > with other xterm extensions (see xterm-extra-capabilities), > > > we should probably offer the same level of control for this > > > capability, either as part of getSelection, or as a separate > > > feature. > > > > Clearly. > > > > If Emacs can suddenly start supporting it then Emacs can > > provide a way to turn it off (it was, in effect, off before). > > > > > Philipp, would you like to add this on the emacs-25 branch? > > > > Yes, thank you. > > > > There shouldn't be any need for turning off bracketed pasting. It's just > a separate input key sequence that is > > either sent or not sent by the terminal emulator. This isn't different > from e.g. the Hyper key; there's also no > > option to disable the latter. > > That is true, but we still allow the user to control the other similar > extensions, which all fit your description. So why should support for > bracketed paste mode be different? It's inconsistent, and I can't > think of a reason why we would want this inconsistency. > I don't think that inconsistency is a strong enough reason to introduce a customization option, especially for a setting that has no user-visible behavior. There are certainly several other optimizations in the the Emacs code base that can't be turned off. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2752 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* bug#24995: 25.1; Emacs manual: no doc on "bracketed paste mode" 2016-12-28 21:11 ` Philipp Stephani @ 2016-12-29 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-12-29 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Philipp Stephani; +Cc: 24995 > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com> > Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 21:11:19 +0000 > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 24995@debbugs.gnu.org > > That is true, but we still allow the user to control the other similar > extensions, which all fit your description. So why should support for > bracketed paste mode be different? It's inconsistent, and I can't > think of a reason why we would want this inconsistency. > > I don't think that inconsistency is a strong enough reason to introduce a customization option, especially for a > setting that has no user-visible behavior. There are certainly several other optimizations in the the Emacs > code base that can't be turned off. I disagree, but let's defer to users' complaints (or lack thereof) to be the judge. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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