From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19107: 25.0.50; emacs-lisp-mode: help-echo in font-lock-extra-managed-props Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 06:42:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <80a4e3ea-421e-41ce-82c5-e8d6261834c6@default> References: <87ioibjjjk@ristopher.com> <87a8m8xjjh.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457534610 23939 80.91.229.3 (9 Mar 2016 14:43:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 14:43:30 +0000 (UTC) To: Marcin Borkowski , 19107@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 09 15:43:17 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adfKU-0007eD-QD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 15:43:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41916 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adfKU-00087g-DN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:43:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41199) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adfKN-00086I-1r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:43:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adfKI-0005wy-28 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:43:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:43518) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adfKH-0005wt-VR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:43:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1adfKH-0007G8-OK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:43:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19107 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19107-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19107.145753457327889 (code B ref 19107); Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:43:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19107) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2016 14:42:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40645 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1adfK8-0007Fl-W9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:42:53 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:41112) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1adfK7-0007FZ-Vx for 19107@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:42:52 -0500 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u29EgjTg000622 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Mar 2016 14:42:45 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u29EgiZ5021604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Mar 2016 14:42:44 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u29EggMQ008846; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 14:42:44 GMT In-Reply-To: <87a8m8xjjh.fsf@mbork.pl> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:114636 Archived-At: > I confirm this is apparently still true on ac9a931, but I don't see why > it's a problem. Could you elaborate a bit? What exactly breaks? What > is your non-font-lock use of help-echo? Marcin, are you actually asking whether `help-echo' can or should be used without font-lock? If so, the answer is YES. Text properties (including `face' and even `font-lock-face', BTW) have nothing, per se, to do with `font-lock-mode'. Font-lock is only one user of text properties. Users and code can use any properties in any way. And property `help-echo', in particular, is used far and wide outside of any use font-lock might make of it. (As for the bug, I have nothing particular to say. And your question about what breaks is reasonable. But keep in mind that anything (font-lock or anything else) that assumes or acts like it owns property `help-echo' is acting irresponsibly and is bound to lead to bugs.)