From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Nicolas Floquet Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32722: [O] bug#32722: bug#32722: 26.1; Org-publish depend on non-free platform ? Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 11:54:12 +0200 Message-ID: <8005c4dacdc337b587ce8856bfc193bdffaeb99b.camel@flqt.fr> References: <531a7f93882cc0d5d09700457d06ea082f47569b.camel@flqt.fr> <83sh2ck42e.fsf@gnu.org> <87va73gn90.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vGxr/C6h9OIaCQQ16C61" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537783571 14135 195.159.176.226 (24 Sep 2018 10:06:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kaushal.modi@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, Nicolas Goaziou , 32722@debbugs.gnu.org To: rjhorniii@gmail.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 24 12:06:06 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g4Nkj-0003Zx-Jl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 12:06:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44360 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g4Nmq-0000Zs-7o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 06:08:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52687) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g4Nmf-0000YJ-4p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 06:08:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g4NZ4-0006hF-P8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 05:54:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:47094) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g4NZ4-0006gr-Kx; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 05:54:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g4NZ4-0005tE-Dd; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 05:54:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Nicolas Floquet Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 09:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32722 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,org-mode X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 32722-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32722.153778281222592 (code B ref 32722); Mon, 24 Sep 2018 09:54:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32722) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Sep 2018 09:53:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51349 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g4NYY-0005sI-KC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 05:53:32 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.numethik.fr ([80.67.190.197]:55152) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g4NYW-0005s6-KN for 32722@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 05:53:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flqt.fr; s=mail; t=1537782807; h=from:from:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=iWY7GbbyA4RMvxO3mewwnJmVFv84uac9BqoGqQUWtLw=; b=r5V/Sy64v8EdC/Vq0mpl2C1O1EbEpL2cAIEWyjrLIHHYK+n3srpHYvDblEXgWTbUBmzFrm UtdBcicH3JVHKBbCu9wEOMRBY2Fau87UAYRBoQsczvLOl5GnSA39lobu1jk+NUHrD0TQev 2Ip5J2Sf8Evy0xUEYRHbU4ax5B29mrC5UwBCnlseHxoiRIVEYpqVt/Io84ipG9jT30xgx5 Ues3tr/CI4x85GpqMbJJwnjKhc5Sp+1MrrnJahdYlZaixVZ81z+vnUh50AgzyZoybFZGnP UiAflmbSPlwZqx2zv/efYG+fbWFwFpXukHEH2zmCW6jW/Pp2QdKK3xqfHwQ2Mg== In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:150592 Archived-At: --=-vGxr/C6h9OIaCQQ16C61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Le mardi 18 septembre 2018 =C3=A0 12:37 -0400, Robert Horn a =C3=A9crit : > Perhaps you could clarify the ethical issues. I apologise:=20 1. first, to have sent you a badly edited bug report, 2. second, the late sending of this clarification email. This can be explained by * My own difficulty to use the English language (on this point, I have asked a translator friend of mine to translate my words. What you are now reading is the fruit of her work) * The difficulty to convey the issue arisen by GitHub (as a proprietary tool) in the Free Software movement. (This issue has already been brought up for instance in 2010 by B Mako Hill:=20 https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html here translated in French=20 https://framablog.org/2010/09/08/logiciels-libres-mais-outils-non-libres/ ). GitHub, as a platform based on proprietary software is a trap for the developers who use it, particularly because they get into work habits that tie them to one only service provider on the Internet, which is contrary to the very principle of Internet, centre-less network. Yet getting the Internet recentralised would have harmful consequences as much ethically as technically. Therefore, in explaining to its own users to seek some coding on GitHub, or any other non-ethical platform, Emacs "prescribes" the following message to its users: "GitHub? Meh... just some non-open JavaScript" =E2=80=A6 Download on GitHub, code on GitHub! No, don't fuss ov= er it! Incidentally, programmers of free alternatives to GitHub are cool but their work is not very important." =20 Last one more word about those worried by the loss of visibility of their work by having to leave GitHub. May they know that several software forge projects from now on are getting interested in the ActivityPub protocol, which will allow the launching of connected forges into a federation. 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