From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16691: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 15:40:25 -0500 Message-ID: <7fiospwd6u.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <83a9e1wg93.fsf@gnu.org> <52F68E36.7070204@gmx.at> <83zjm1uz1g.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391892064 18924 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2014 20:41:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 20:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16691@debbugs.gnu.org, lekktu@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 08 21:41:10 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WCEi4-0005Ca-G9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:41:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47949 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCEi3-0005dZ-Tv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 15:41:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58459) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCEhz-0005aV-Jk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 15:41:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCEhy-0006OP-GB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 15:41:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44223) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCEhy-0006OJ-6L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 15:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCEhx-0003lr-Od for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 15:41:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 20:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16691 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 16691-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16691.139189203114450 (code B ref 16691); Sat, 08 Feb 2014 20:41:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16691) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2014 20:40:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58242 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCEhR-0003ku-Nt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 15:40:30 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:42996) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCEhO-0003kj-Lc for 16691@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 15:40:27 -0500 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCEhN-0006sF-St; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 15:40:25 -0500 X-Spook: quiche Al-Qaeda eavesdropping class struggle Panama X-Ran: |_}9g[y4-IeDG^*8MwG/|$pm:;jE5%aE5ZOjUE'CK@=HioiZT\!P7z)]|ibl_xrJiKN@p# X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <83zjm1uz1g.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 08 Feb 2014 22:31:23 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:84988 Archived-At: If you bcc'd control@debbugs rather than cc'ing, you would not have the problem where people, including yourself, include it on all future replies. You've previously said you won't do that, but I ask you to reconsider: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-08/msg00804.html >> If control@debbugs goes in BCC, people will become confused about >> those weird commands at the beginning of the message. That supposes that people 1) read the address list (my experience is that they do not, you're proving it in this thread); and 2) use it figure out what "weird commands" might mean (I doubt it). By not using bcc, you require everyone who might reply to you to check and possibly edit the reply list, or to start every single message with "stop". (Or to use something like message-dont-reply-to-names, which is a good idea anyway.) If you really think people are confused by these commands, you should send them in a totally separate message. Or preface them with a # comment to explain them.