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Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 In-Reply-To: <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115164 Archived-At: On 03/20/2016 08:34 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: >> That's not true: turning off a globalized mode turns off the related >> minor mode in all buffers. So, instant effect as well. > > Right, but turning on is different, right? Different how? > I mean, conceptually simpler (slightly). But that's surely a matter of > taste. I wouldn't call that kind of duplication simpler. >>> What exactly is this bug report about (this question, or the >>> statement in the subject, for which you didn't provide a recipe)? >> >> I did provide a recipe, in the bug description. > > I thought you mean a lighter, but you mean the effect of eldoc mode: > echoing in the echo area with "ElDoc is displayed", correct? In the echo area, but not "ElDoc is displayed" (is there such a message anywhere?). > I see that too in emacs -Q, but global-eldoc-mode is on by default, so > this is expected. You get eldoc echoing when either the local mode is > turned on for this buffer, or the global mode (and the current buffer is > treated by the global mode). Don't you see this, or do think this > behavior is wrong? I see this, and I think it is wrong: - The behavior is surprising if you're used to globalized minor modes. - There's no way to have ElDoc enabled by default, but disable it in just certain buffers.