From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19423: 25.0.50; incompatible change to `make-obsolete' - added 3rd arg should be optional Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 13:10:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7aebc1bd-a587-4e78-b592-5197ea1ca791@default> References: <867fxkdecx.fsf@yandex.ru> <54971A16.5030105@yandex.ru> <1508ca96-d335-49bd-9e97-59d968b467f5@default> <54972FF2.607@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419196296 11317 80.91.229.3 (21 Dec 2014 21:11:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19423-done@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 21 22:11:27 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2nmd-0001UN-P3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:11:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38325 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2nmc-0004T3-Uy for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:11:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48509) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2nmR-0004Sb-P4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:11:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2nmJ-0000fp-25 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:11:11 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44708) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2nmI-0000fl-VC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:11:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2nmI-00084S-EP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:11:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19423 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19423-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D19423.141919622530979 (code D ref 19423); Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:11:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19423-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Dec 2014 21:10:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54074 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2nlg-00083a-6Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:10:25 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:18530) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2nld-00083P-EF for 19423-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:10:21 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id sBLLAKqV023534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:10:20 GMT Original-Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sBLLAJjX000407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:10:20 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sBLLAILg021982; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:10:18 GMT In-Reply-To: <54972FF2.607@yandex.ru> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:97657 Archived-At: > > It misleads. There is no need for such a "warning" - nothing to > > warn users about, since the argument is optional. It serves > > no useful purpose. >=20 > While the argument is still optional now, it won't be, at some point > in the future.=20 Why should it? > And there's a good reason to require this argument: people > should annotate each obsoletion with the version when it happened. That is *not* a good reason to make the argument mandatory. That is a good reason to document why they should do so and thus encourage them to do so. Making such an argument mandatory for that reason alone is quite misguided. > That change was made 5 years ago; let it go. It is trivial to fix the mistake, no matter how long ago it was made. Again, there is no good reason *not* to fix this.