From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46926: Remove the quotes from highlighted/linked symbols when displaying docs Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:01:36 +0000 Message-ID: <79df20bdf4e23c709781@heytings.org> References: <83czw3jy72.fsf@gnu.org> <835z1vjvm4.fsf@gnu.org> <83ft0zhuyi.fsf@gnu.org> <838s6rhthh.fsf@gnu.org> <6214567e-7e89-010d-5d0a-de0b69392625@yandex.ru> <831rcgfgpd.fsf@gnu.org> <401c0b82-a6b9-eb74-8de8-84fc956f8813@yandex.ru> <83pmzzepn7.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8fje0nd.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2612"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 46926@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 16 14:03:04 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lM9Lj-0000Ys-Rf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 14:03:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49956 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lM9Li-0002Q0-RD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:03:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50806) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lM9Kk-0002Ns-QM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:02:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:55146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lM9Kk-00037w-ID for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:02:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lM9Kk-0005wI-GZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:02:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46926 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 46926-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46926.161589970122799 (code B ref 46926); Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:02:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46926) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Mar 2021 13:01:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38459 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lM9KP-0005ve-Gf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:01:41 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:57742) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lM9KN-0005vW-Hq for 46926@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:01:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1615899697; bh=+Q8Ca7PDRdkdS6R/FpHTD/1ckcPm98GsRfntcH/oUNM=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=SYPpIH4sndLlnzwBMr/qzNUn1kIsZMnjcYyX1OW64TiG2o7q9347wGK84fJBelz0Z veGnRg1SofC7OthXevsiTyi8BT1JEuwNoT0MsVrE4/+YJLXMh5F/iCp8xwn44YdtWc gRRRuHFFL5vn0XFgr5EhgpGFHQtJQsyNEP2ZAq4hvGjUsCRShdiQ9cpC6K+466gToD RSG2dfhnAqujPEAz4UYgYn5zb99RBoJIxAaOZgZ7kSwOf7oTqesn2Wmq2m1FG8OuLn vHkA74M1bMiOEm0Up9eV5Hx1WVo68FwPRWQc6dvFEvthpotDwZ+pLaGgs8cNEYQDf/ FKWTXlDrldXTg== In-Reply-To: <83o8fje0nd.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:202459 Archived-At: >>> I hope not, because we are at an impasse there now. >> >> FWIW, I don't see any impasse. The experiment was successfully carried >> out, and has allowed us to gather feedback on which to base a final >> decision. > > Maybe I'm missing something, but didn't Lars say a few days ago that > (almost) no feedback was received? > Yes, and this was the expected outcome of the experiment. The experiment said: "If the removal of this key binding doesn't annoy too many people". So if (almost) no feedback is received, it means that it doesn't annoy to many people, IOW, that the experiment was successful, and that the key binding can be removed. > > And if we gathered enough feedback, then why are we once again disputing > whether "M-o M-o" is an important binding, and if so, where to move it? > I don't see any dispute. You (and two other people) mentioned that you want to keep the functionality of "M-o M-o" in vanilla Emacs. Stefan M explained that "M-o M-o" = font-lock-fontify-block does not work well, and that he would like to deprecate it. I proposed a font-lock-update command that would be bound on "C-x x f", and said that while the "C-x x f" binding is less convenient than "M-o M-o", this regression is (largely?) compensated by the fact that font-lock-update works correctly, unlike font-lock-fontify-block. Moreover, the font-lock-update command is also more general, as it can be used to correctly toggle Font Lock mode, which M-x font-lock-mode can't do. Nobody replied to that proposal (yet?).